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Message from @olev

Discord ID: 357584849189470228

2017-09-13 17:50:10 UTC

@olev How is that possible?

2017-09-13 17:50:21 UTC

How is what possible?

2017-09-13 17:50:27 UTC

I'm not arguing for it, just from it

2017-09-13 17:50:33 UTC

how it would work

2017-09-13 17:50:36 UTC

How?

2017-09-13 17:50:39 UTC

So I am denied the freedom, correct ?

2017-09-13 17:51:05 UTC

Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?

2017-09-13 17:51:06 UTC

Yes

2017-09-13 17:51:25 UTC

But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion

2017-09-13 17:51:40 UTC

@olev Market without ownership? Who is going to trade in it?

2017-09-13 17:51:46 UTC

denied the freedom to trade my own capital

2017-09-13 17:51:50 UTC

for someone else's labour

2017-09-13 17:52:16 UTC

@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?

2017-09-13 17:52:46 UTC

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

2017-09-13 17:53:37 UTC

The workers own it

2017-09-13 17:53:42 UTC

Who?

2017-09-13 17:53:44 UTC

Which?

2017-09-13 17:53:45 UTC

The workers

2017-09-13 17:53:47 UTC

the people that work there

2017-09-13 17:54:02 UTC

Do they have a share of business?

2017-09-13 17:54:31 UTC

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work

2017-09-13 17:54:46 UTC

How do they trade?

2017-09-13 17:55:06 UTC

You buy stuff?

2017-09-13 17:55:15 UTC

Who if you don't own it?

2017-09-13 17:55:53 UTC

Buying stuff without owning it?

2017-09-13 17:56:22 UTC

You buy products/services from businesses

2017-09-13 17:56:25 UTC

with money

2017-09-13 17:56:57 UTC

Who decides what business trade?

2017-09-13 17:57:23 UTC

Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage

2017-09-13 17:57:53 UTC

So the specialists and managers has no say in it?

2017-09-13 17:58:14 UTC

I don't think managers would exist

2017-09-13 17:58:23 UTC

I don't have all the answers, I'm not a market socialist

2017-09-13 17:58:29 UTC

Who is going to manage than?

2017-09-13 17:58:37 UTC

The workers

2017-09-13 17:58:40 UTC

i've said this like 10 times

2017-09-13 17:58:47 UTC

Are they trained for that?

2017-09-13 17:59:16 UTC

I mean I don't know if they'd be trained by the business after getting hired or what

2017-09-13 17:59:43 UTC

Well, good manager needs 10+ years of experience

2017-09-13 17:59:53 UTC

Maybe business can't train all?

2017-09-13 17:59:55 UTC

Yeah that's a potential problem

2017-09-13 18:00:12 UTC

Is an existing problem.