Message from @olev
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@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?
I'm talking about market socialism
So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?
where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers
I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium
How is what possible?
I'm not arguing for it, just from it
how it would work
How?
So I am denied the freedom, correct ?
Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?
Yes
But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion
denied the freedom to trade my own capital
for someone else's labour
@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?
@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?
Who?
Which?
The workers
the people that work there
Do they have a share of business?
I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work
How do they trade?
You buy stuff?
Who if you don't own it?
Buying stuff without owning it?
You buy products/services from businesses
with money
Who decides what business trade?
Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage
So the specialists and managers has no say in it?
I don't think managers would exist
I don't have all the answers, I'm not a market socialist
Who is going to manage than?
The workers
i've said this like 10 times