Yes

But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion

@olev Market without ownership? Who is going to trade in it?

denied the freedom to trade my own capital

for someone else's labour

@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

The workers own it

Who?

Which?

The workers

the people that work there

Do they have a share of business?

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work

How do they trade?

You buy stuff?

Who if you don't own it?

Buying stuff without owning it?

You buy products/services from businesses

with money

Who decides what business trade?

Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage

So the specialists and managers has no say in it?

I don't think managers would exist

I don't have all the answers, I'm not a market socialist

Who is going to manage than?

The workers

i've said this like 10 times

Are they trained for that?

I mean I don't know if they'd be trained by the business after getting hired or what

Well, good manager needs 10+ years of experience

Maybe business can't train all?

Yeah that's a potential problem

Is an existing problem.

Is not potential.

Ask a market socialist I guess

I might be able to answer, what is the question?

wouldn't really indentify as a marksoc but I'll try

Well, basically the problem is that managers specialize in their position

but if it's owned and managed by the workers, wouldn't them not having experience be a problem

it doesn't have to be managed by the workers