Are people on here unironically communists/socialists? 😂

I actually voted for the socialist party when I was 18, so naive

reee harder

to vote socialist, not voting in general

oh god you're a ''revolutionary'' aren't you

Because I had not a single clue how economics worked, same for a lot of socialists I guess

capitalism or corporatism? there's a difference

I'm not ancap though

you're an actual communist i assume

same level of stupid as ancap in my humble opinion

I'm actually interested in the communist world view

So if anyone is up to a real discussion I'm open

socialism has been decreasing hard here, but they get retaken by a green party that is essentially socialist, but too cowardly to say so

here is the netherlands

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ahh traditional communist feast

I'm not even here to troll, legit want to talk to some communists

everyone, as is the communist ideology

I post therefor I own a chunk of this discord

Is this a dutch communist?

who did you vote, SP or groenlinks?

ah under 18 then :^)

revolutions are for low IQ people

What are you revolting against?

This is a pretty stellar country

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you didn't answer me, what are you revolting against in the netherlands?

It's like one of the best countries in history

@Poet the Bush but you are the bourgeoisie right?

you're poor in the netherlands?

I doubt it

lol

you give up fast for revolutionary

@Poet the Bush don't stay mad!

I thought you got mad with me, no good!

wow rude

What's wrong with that question?

It's the biggest class of people in the netherlands

A lot of communists are in reality just bored bourgeoisie

not at all

unless you're unaware that the people here are all in the 1% in terms of how rich they are

you wouldn't be so eurocentric to not think of people outside the Eu right?

what makes one bourgeoisie?

everyone here is materialistic as fuck

how about being a self employed plummer?

why not? you can set all the pipes by yourself

or is the pipe maker the baddy?

You can if you're successful enough

Most people who do well for themselves end up employing other people

Why is that bad?

Well the dutch fellow said he'd revolt against them

Haven't seen it happen in history, a revolution completely devoid of any morality

I think it's always there, you don't have to inject it

right, but people seem more focused on the oppression vs oppressor thing than an actual economic model

To say that's not a big part of it isn't fair imo

You might be able to, but I know how revolutions go

Sounds fun until people get killed for simply having employees

serfs only had to pay 25% taxes, funny fact, compare it to now

The angle I come from is more libertarian, changing what it is now with a communist dictatorship(which it almost always is) is simply a slight of hand

Did the original revolutionaries have democracy in mind at all?

That spooks me though

The people who implemented communism failed hard on that front

And I don't see how you could do it any other way

They'd get voted out at the first famine

Well when you kill those who own the farms because they're bourgeoisie

Why would they want the famines?

They make money off of mkaking food

The famine didn't happen because they hogged the wheat did it

So why didn't they barge their farms and take it?

It was already communist by the first big ukranian famine

I could use many reasons fam

It stands out because capitalistic societies don't get that at all

Unless a war is happening

That was the government making the Irish starve

not capitalism, which would make it possible to sell the irish their food

government stands in the way of capitalism often

That's not what I said

State overlooked farming was a disaster because the state isn't the expert in that field, the farmers are

What happened in the UK was not a failure of farming but the government cracking down on the Irish

You're unable to argue, the other guy was sane

Right, because Tsardom wasn't a good system either

Less government is the answer

The only one because you couldn't be anything else, or of to the gulags with you

I'm libertarian, not ancap

Great reply

Communism is the furthest away from libertarianism I believe

Unless you're talking ancommunism

not far off tbh

Not being able to complain like in the USSR is something harsh even for a slave

Socialism is still alive a bit, communism is so taboo in the west(thankfully)

Something's going to replace the neo liberal governments, just have to see what it will be

yes that's what I think, but socialism is for some reason thought of as different

yeah, they think the Dutch system is socialist

Partly, but lets just say that communism doesn't have a whole lot to show for their decades in power to persuade the average joe

don't see it happening any time soon, the left seems to be losing everywhere in the west

But of course, I didn't think trump would be president 2 years ago, who knows

I think it's more than that

The way you talk you'll never convince anyone to turn communist

You'd turn stalin into an ancap