Message from @Firefly
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i know how our world works, i know what i'm allowed to do: anything really
except pay someone less than minimum wage
or contract them for too many hours
what am i not allowed to do that am allowed to do now ?
Are we talking in terms of market socialism?
your brand
I'm not really any specific type, I'm just broadly socialist and anti-capitalist
Since you're talking about wages and such
of freedom really
again, businesses would not be owned by individuals, they would be owned by the workers
doesnt that mean u cant fire people
Workers are individuals.
why is the leftist cancer still here
Well I mean it wouldn't be owned by individuals in the sense of a capitalist system
@Deicidium I figure they could vote to fire specific employees
same with hiring them
@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?
I'm talking about market socialism
So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?
where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers
I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium
How is what possible?
I'm not arguing for it, just from it
how it would work
How?
So I am denied the freedom, correct ?
Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?
Yes
But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion
denied the freedom to trade my own capital
for someone else's labour
@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?
@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?
The workers own it
Who?
Which?
The workers
the people that work there