Messages in Charlottesville 2.0, #virginia_laws

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crockett 2017-06-07 02:42:42

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 02:42:59

NO MASKS

crockett 2017-06-07 02:43:28

http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php

crockett 2017-06-07 02:43:59

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/section18.2-422/

crockett 2017-06-07 02:49:06

https://www.vcdl.org/CarryInfo

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 02:53:28

It is illegal to conceal carry a dirk, bowie knife, switchblade, machete, ballistic knife, darts, or any knife of a like kind. It is legal to open carry any type of knife. KEEP IN MIND: You should be perusing self defense tactics without weapons. Be strong without the use of weapons.

The Huwhyte Ulf - VA 2017-06-07 02:54:23

No swords...got it.

80D 2017-06-07 02:55:47

Only word of advice I have for yals is DO NOT GET ARRESTED IN VA. There are some shitty states to get arrested in VA is one of them. They will nail you to the wall any chance they get and many counties have over a 99% conviction rate.

HipToTheJQ 2017-06-07 02:58:11

So I can't bring my katana/trench-coat/fedora outfit

HipToTheJQ 2017-06-07 02:58:23

Jeez why even go

Johnny O'Malley 2017-06-07 02:58:48

Surprised antifa is even gonna be there with the no masks rule

Johnny O'Malley 2017-06-07 02:59:02

They don't dare show their face up here

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:22

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:27

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:32

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:38

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:42

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:48

crockett 2017-06-07 02:59:51

@Johnny O'Malley @MadDimension
The question is, will Charlottesville PD enforce the no mask law again Antifa?

Erika 2017-06-07 02:59:55

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 03:00:04

Yes

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 03:00:16

If not I become the Charlottesville PD

crockett 2017-06-07 03:01:07

@Aaron - VA It's hard to say when the city council is comprised of BLM and Antifa activist.

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 03:01:47

If it happens that'd be a serious legal issue they would be going against. It won't happen.

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 03:02:10

Unless they want to go to court

crockett 2017-06-07 03:02:59

I'm just not putting much faith in the city leadership for obvious reasons.

Aaron - VA 2017-06-07 03:03:47

Let them come with masks and it be okay with the PD .So we can fund millions to our movement

Kurt14Lipper 2017-06-07 03:04:20

It is legal to conceal carry a handgun (with proper permit) at the event location. It is also legal to open carry without a permit. HOWEVER, for anyone who plans to drink at a bar afterward, I would advise not carrying a firearm (with or without a permit).

Kurt14Lipper 2017-06-07 11:29:35

@Hand Banana Indeed.

Alex - LA 2017-06-07 11:49:49

Does a glove box not count?

Alex - LA 2017-06-07 11:50:05

Or a truck's toolbox?

FürMeineKameraden(TWP - NC) 2017-06-07 11:54:21

Would aviators and black baseball cap violate mask laws?

Americana - MD 2017-06-07 11:55:49

Nope, you're good 👌🏻

Kurt14Lipper 2017-06-07 12:40:51

VA statute indicates a "sealed container" within a vehicle for lawful concealment. According to one state lawmaker I've conversed with (when the statute was being updated in 2010), a plastic ziploc bag qualifies as a sealed container. <:richard:321796916218167301>

ManWithTheHand 2017-06-07 12:42:03

you can conceal a handgun in your glovebox yes. I do it every day.

ManWithTheHand 2017-06-07 12:42:18

With out permitting that is

crockett 2017-06-07 12:42:19

Check the links I posted near the top.

Kurt14Lipper 2017-06-07 13:14:32

According to VA § 18.2-422, helmets are ok. Perhaps even gladiator-type ones, as long as they don't cover significant portions of the face.

Erika 2017-06-07 14:08:00

Americana - MD 2017-06-07 14:43:17

1300's optics are in effect. Second amendment is irrelevant

Munich 2017-06-07 14:43:31

Uilliam Cionnaoith - MD 2017-06-07 16:44:52

Random Reminder: Cops of all races are our natural allies; we should keep it that way.

Matthias 2017-06-07 18:54:54

The optics of black southern cops gassing antifa is perfect.

Edward - DC 2017-06-09 03:05:05

That's if you want cucks to think blacks have a place in our society

MadDimension 2017-06-15 00:49:42

Virginia's self-defense laws

http://www.tmwilsonlaw.com/criminal-law/self-defense

卐 Heimdulf - VA 卐 2017-06-15 04:31:11

Nice. So it appears that if Antifa is acting overtly aggressive and you feel there is a threat of imminent unlawful touching or harm you can drop that faggot with a swift combo.

Furor_Tuetonicus 2017-06-30 04:45:55

I thought it prudent to ask. What kind of legal defense do we have on our side for if but more likely when antifa and the leftwing establishment in cville tries to fuck us

Erika 2017-06-30 04:47:50

@Furor_Tuetonicus we have Kyle Bristow. I believe we also have a couple other alt-right lawyers.

b-luccason 2017-06-30 14:14:26

Any for Virginia though

b-luccason 2017-06-30 14:14:28

Heinz - MI 2017-06-30 18:23:20

afaik Kyle does not have the license to practice law in VA.

b-luccason 2017-06-30 18:35:00

All I know if for Michigan and ohio

Johnny O'Malley 2017-06-30 19:43:56

VA Body Armor Laws: § 18.2-287.2. Wearing of body armor while committing a crime; penalty. Any person who, while committing a crime of violence or a felony violation, has in his possession a firearm or knife and is wearing body armor designed to diminish the effect of the impact of a bullet or projectile, shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. "Crime of violence" applies to and includes any of the following crimes or an attempt to commit any of the same, namely, murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, rape, mayhem, assault with intent to maim, disable, disfigure or kill, robbery, burglary, housebreaking, breaking and entering and larceny.

khaos156-WV 2017-07-06 11:05:27

So basically body armor + defense ok?

khaos156-WV 2017-07-06 11:06:41

It's overrated anyway our here no one is going to do shit.

Erika 2017-07-06 11:15:30

AshBrighton - AL 2017-07-13 02:38:11

I make homemade torches with lengths of aluminum tubing. Does anyone know if it would be illegal to carry those in the rally and/or if it's legal to wield it in self-defense?

junker 2017-07-13 19:33:03

What are the va laws on self defense? Of course we aren't going to start anything but at what point is it okay to react to the left's assaults

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 19:36:33

If you reasonably fear death (gun pointed at you) or have been seriously harmed or injured, you are legally allowed to defend yourself by all means. Keep in mind that this will be a huge event and that it won't be as easy to make a case

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 19:37:17

Also, VA is a stand your ground state

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 20:19:38

Virginia is a stand your ground state .

SaintCharles 2017-07-13 20:22:39

Virginia is a stand your ground state

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 20:23:47

Thanks to whoever deleted that. Not your fault, Virginia can be weird with some laws

crockett 2017-07-13 20:25:06

https://medvinlaw.com/virginia-self-defense-police-use-of-force-laws-penalties-defense-lawyer/

crockett 2017-07-13 20:27:54

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 20:29:37

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 20:29:39

crockett 2017-07-13 20:35:29

@Aaron - VA
Thanks when did that get changed? When I got my VA CCW a few years ago they told us that VA wasn't.

Aaron - VA 2017-07-13 20:47:12

Your article was mostly correct though. You more than likely can't just have a gun waved at you and you can then blast them away. But if you were violently beaten , or were shot at , you have the right to defend yourself by all means. Depends how much of a jew your lawyer is

Hand Banana 2017-07-13 21:09:53

USCCA offers self defense insurance, buy it

Spaceman (DSB) 2017-07-15 07:08:35

Is it legal to carry a club openly? Like a police baton?

junker 2017-07-15 13:06:39

Don't carry anything that's explicitly a weapon. Flag poles and signs work, but openly carrying obvious weaponry is probably not a good idea. @Spaceman (DSB)

Vice Commander Hunt 2017-07-15 13:41:50

Waving a gun at you is criminal menacing/brandishing (note that there's a difference between open carry and brandishing). Should be okay to defend yourself in that situation

I'm Not Sam Hyde 2017-07-15 19:09:47

36" rattan flag poles okay?

Some Guy 2017-07-15 19:38:15

Not that I think any of us are felons, but:

It is **illegal** for felons in Virginia to concealed carry stun guns **except** within their own homes or after having their rights restored by a judge.

AltRightMick 2017-07-15 19:42:03

This question doesn't pertain to Virginia specifically, but I've heard there are state laws which were created back in the Cold War to protect leftists from getting fired simply for their political affiliations. I'm wondering which states have these laws in case many of us get doxxed at this event.

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-15 20:05:13

It's federal statute that prohibits discrimination based on political beliefs.

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-15 20:05:21

-in the workplace

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-15 20:06:28

The Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (CSRA)

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-15 20:09:26

Now of course that specifically applies to gov't jobs, but almost every state had adopted it to apply to private sector, too. EEOC would know which states don't. Can look there

Vice Commander Hunt 2017-07-15 21:36:01

Anybody know if it's legal to open carry a baton? It looks like it's illegal to cc it

Aaron - VA 2017-07-15 21:37:57

I believe it is legal. Spring-loaded baton is illegal

Vice Commander Hunt 2017-07-15 21:39:48

Gravity is good tho?

Spaceman (DSB) 2017-07-15 23:58:05

@junker many many goys are carrying guns, I see no problem with carrying a billyclub, my question wasn't of optics its of legality

junker 2017-07-16 00:00:26

Conceal carry is way different than walking into a crowd with a club, as far as optics go.

Void 2017-07-16 00:28:35

Is bear mace acceptable defence in VA law?

Nicholas - MA 2017-07-16 00:31:52

I wouldn't use bear mace, get standard OC spray. I personally use Fox Labs.

Void 2017-07-16 00:40:27

Gotcba

Nicholas - MA 2017-07-16 00:41:02

@Vice Commander Hunt To answer your question regarding batons; Carrying spring-loaded baton is illegal, but other batons are legal. But those batons that are legal I recommend that you open carry them as Virginia law is very vague regarding concealed carry of a baton.

Nicholas - MA 2017-07-16 00:42:42

Its best to avoid batons in my opinion, I would just get hardwood dowel (that fits in your hand) from a store and cut it to size.

Hand Banana 2017-07-16 00:49:53

For a flagpole

Hand Banana 2017-07-16 00:50:09

32-36 inches is optimal flagpole soze

Erika 2017-07-16 02:31:25

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doglad 2017-07-16 05:08:56

anyoene know if burning antifa flags/LGBT pride flags/etc would be legal? or would they get you for arson on a public land

doglad 2017-07-16 05:09:00

my guess is theyd stop it

I'm Not Sam Hyde 2017-07-16 05:30:15

You'd get in trouble

Nicholas - MA 2017-07-16 06:39:50

Open fires are illegal in Charlottesville http://www.virginia.edu/fsl/documents/Open%20Flame%20Guidelines%20(city%20code).pdf @doglad

SaintCharles 2017-07-16 10:10:58

@doglad flag burning is taking place after the rally. Don't do it at the rally you'll get arrested

Erika 2017-07-16 14:38:55

Erika 2017-07-16 14:39:02

junker 2017-07-16 15:34:09

junker 2017-07-16 15:34:17

anyone know if these are illegal?

Americana - MD 2017-07-16 15:36:12
Aaron - VA 2017-07-16 15:38:13

I have no idea what the fuck I'm looking at?

junker 2017-07-16 15:39:04

http://www.weapons-universe.com/leather-billy-clubs.htm

Americana - MD 2017-07-16 15:39:21

Sap/Billy club il

Aaron - VA 2017-07-16 15:41:34

I'll have to come back to that later, I am not sure about that.

Tyrone 2017-07-16 15:55:41

@junker that's what a wrench with tape wrapped around the handle is for.

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-16 16:27:08

That leather handle thing has a metal or lead weight in it. called a blackjack. And ya, popo definitely considers them an offensive weapon

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-16 16:28:41

they're pretty much the same thing as a bike lock on a rope/bandana/etc. highly dangerous

Hand Banana 2017-07-16 18:51:31

Saps are usually super illegal, even if not they show you're there for trouble

Spaceman (DSB) 2017-07-17 06:22:43

@here friend is asking if face paint is legal

V I T A L I T Y 2017-07-17 06:46:20

It's not and it's not a good idea either.

Tyrone 2017-07-17 16:22:59

Is it legal to run over protestors blocking roadways?

Tyrone 2017-07-17 16:24:00

I'm NOT just shitposting. I would like clarification. I know it's legal in NC and a few other states. I'm legitimately curious for the answer

Stormer DC 2017-07-18 02:22:57

https://www.vcdl.org/CarryInfo

Erika 2017-07-18 04:24:46

Erika 2017-07-18 04:26:21

@Spaceman (DSB) face paint is not legal. A man got arrested and charged with a felony in Virginia because he was wearing face paint, and they considered that "a mask".

AltRightMick 2017-07-18 16:58:40

If someone were to call in a bomb threat at the last minute, what would be the police's procedure under Virginia state law?

Tyrone 2017-07-18 17:05:19

To screw us over. Unless the police had searched and cleared the area at which point they could say the threat is without merit.
What would you guess they would bet they will do?

AltRightMick 2017-07-18 17:07:31

I figured. Just wanted to double check. :/ What's the likelihood of an enemy doing that?

Tyrone 2017-07-18 17:36:11

Depends on if the think federal terrorism charges would be filed.

Tyrone 2017-07-18 17:36:32

That tactic has largely died down since those sorts of laws have been passed

AltRightMick 2017-07-18 17:54:43

They used bomb threats against Milo last year. I could see them at least considering that option to shut us down, especially since this rally will be so big.

Americana - MD 2017-07-18 19:42:45

Tfw I hate hecklers veto so much that I go anyway and it's actually more than a threat because they failed to mention it wasn't a threat from antifa but actually the local mosque

Americana - MD 2017-07-18 19:42:51

Rip

Gusty-Chan 2017-07-18 23:41:06

Pretty shocked blackjacks aren't kosher.

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-19 02:21:33

lmao they're generally an offense-only weapon. Of course they wouldn't be allowed.

Phillip Wiglesworth - FL 2017-07-19 02:21:53

They scream "I'm here to hurt people and I don't care who"

Tyrone 2017-07-19 10:17:35

A wrench with a wrist lanyard gets the same job accomplished.

Hand Banana 2017-07-21 01:28:45

http://www.tmwilsonlaw.com/criminal-law/self-defense#3.1

Nicklis - OH 2017-07-24 03:56:05

http://www.freedomfront.org/news/2017/7/23/fmi-to-charlottesville-govt-do-not-foil-unite-the-right-rally

MadDimension 2017-07-27 01:04:06

At best it would simply delay the rally. It's not that big of a park to run dogs through

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 06:10:08

No-mask laws should be unconstitutional

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 06:12:53

I checked the va law and you can't even wear a gas mask

kristall.night 2017-07-27 10:41:45

@Tiwaz in this scenario, it will actually help us. Also, the irony of it originally being intended to stifle KKK activity, but now being used to arrest those who oppose White Nationalism is pretty delicious.

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-27 15:31:25

Respirators should not be illegal

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-27 15:31:29

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-27 15:31:58

See (ii), since they are protective equipment and the intent is not to hide identity...

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 17:00:56

@Stannisthemannis what about a mask like this

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 17:02:02

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-27 17:12:24

If you are in a situation where you are being maced why Not?

Can't wear it while randomly walking down the street

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-27 17:13:04

If you're actively Being maced you're not gonna have time to put that on

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-27 17:13:28

And that's a sure way to get charged

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-27 17:15:53

I'm bringing a 3m half mask respirator

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 17:55:23

@Johnny O'Malley I'm not worried about mace, i've been maced in the face before. CS gas is much much worse

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-27 17:56:14

I'd take cs gas over mace 7 days a week

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 17:57:06

@Johnny O'Malley Haha really? A pair of sunglasses will mitigate most of the debilitating effects of pepper spray, but not a nice thick cloud of CS

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-27 17:58:12

Yeah but as soon as you get away from the cs and clap your arms a little you're fine. Great for allergies and sinuses. Last time I Personally got maced I was down for about 15- 20 mins

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 17:59:12

Yeah it sure is good for your sinuses alright, will clear them right out 😄

Tiwaz 2017-07-27 18:00:49

Pepper spray is probably more likely to be deployed at this event than cs gas though, i'm willing to guess

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 18:15:26

Is there any law restricting the type of flag poles we bring? Im willing to look up statutes but no idea what sort of statute would restrict this

kristall.night 2017-07-27 18:42:19

@WhiteTrash I haven't seen it mentioned. Are you wanting to bring something weird?

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 18:43:25

no

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 18:43:53

was just gonna get a dowel rod or something

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 18:44:15

or buy a flagpole off amazon..whatever

Heinz - MI 2017-07-27 18:55:13

That part in the law about protective devices is for people who are actively employed in a business that requires them to use protective gear

Heinz - MI 2017-07-27 18:55:34

Not just anyone wearing protective gear

greg-ky 2017-07-27 21:17:28

Nathan is checking with the police on flagpoles because there was some concerns over them being construed as weapons. He is supposed to make an announcement about it as soon as he finds out something

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-27 21:17:57

Kkk had flag poles no?

greg-ky 2017-07-27 21:34:10

I believe so. On live hours last night he said that the police were going to try and control the group's getting into the park and the flag post may not be allowed but they are going to follow up

greg-ky 2017-07-27 21:34:38

Poles

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 21:49:53

i'm gonna be there early before they control so whatever

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 21:50:16

only real question is AK47 or AR15

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 21:50:48

i kid i don'te ven have any funs

WhiteTrash 2017-07-27 21:50:55

but i do have lots of flags

Kurt 2017-07-28 01:19:57

@greg-ky VA is not CA or DC. The police cannot under pretty much any circumstances prevent you from carrying anything that is not explictly illegal by state law. You can open carry a sword if you want, as long as you do not brandish it. Nathan doesn't understand how the law works here, which is why he said that.

greg-ky 2017-07-28 02:04:46

@Kurt 👍

Hand Banana 2017-07-29 03:00:49

Thats very bad advice

Hand Banana 2017-07-29 03:00:55

Stop giving bad legal advice unless you're a lawyer

Hand Banana 2017-07-29 03:01:27

You literally cut out the part for how it's about wearing respirators and masks in the process of working a job

Melektaus 2017-07-29 03:04:22

"engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer"

Melektaus 2017-07-29 03:05:14

"or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer" means the law covers it. if antifa or cops are slinging pepper spray is that not deemed necessary for your physical safety?

Hand Banana 2017-07-29 03:05:18

Are you a lawyer?

Melektaus 2017-07-29 03:05:37

no its called reading comprehension

Melektaus 2017-07-29 03:16:09

"It shall be unlawful for any person over 16 years of age to, with the intent to conceal his identity," this part also nullifies wearing a respirator and sunglasses being a crime since your intent is for personal protection from chemical agents and not to conceal your identity

rKKKselected 2017-07-29 03:20:23

Is this also the section where we give bad lifting advice?

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-29 04:09:11

Intent seems to be a key word there

And what is the definition of "other activities"?

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-29 04:13:01

I do know a Virginia lawyer... I'll inquire

SaintCharles 2017-07-29 12:09:29

@Melektaus that is horrible advice. If you wear any kind of face covering material (except sunglasses) you will be arrested and charged with a felony

SaintCharles 2017-07-29 12:10:15

Most riot police will not stop to hear your "comprehension" of the law as they arrest you

Aaron - VA 2017-07-29 14:39:57

@SaintCharles Its best to let people do as they wish, if they don't follow laws , thats on them. I've tried helping but people insist to resist the advice

PureDureSure 2017-07-29 15:11:56

I'm clear on the VA provisions for open carry from the above. Thank you!

That said, do we anticipate any part of the public event(s) taking place in one of the numerous localities/settings to which specific prohibitions apply? Do we have men who plan to open carry?

I'm seriously contemplating a full-size pistol in a drop-leg platform.

Kurt 2017-07-29 15:23:48

@PureDureSure no place we will be will prohibit carry. However open carry is highly frowned upon

Kurt 2017-07-29 15:24:10

conceal it.

PureDureSure 2017-07-29 15:27:28

Thank you, @Kurt . I may have to forego carrying a gun, then. I don't have an active CWP of any description/jurisdiction.

Kurt 2017-07-29 15:29:25

so get one.

PureDureSure 2017-07-29 15:34:13

I'm going to try, but doubt they'll turn the application around in less than two weeks' time (they claim a 90-day potential maximum).

Kurt 2017-07-29 15:34:44

depends on the state

Athena Marie 2017-07-29 15:37:26

Depends on the county

PureDureSure 2017-07-29 15:55:47

Not that they would ever have reason to so much as know where we're lodging, but on the 0.1% chance they were to take some interest in it, would VA law look with disdain on the presence of some hardware in the house in which we're bedding down?

HueTheHand 2017-07-29 16:01:00

VA is a fire arm friendly state... hell it is an open carry state

Heinz - MI 2017-07-29 16:22:31

I got mine back in a week so I would try and see what happens

Melektaus 2017-07-29 16:25:47

I dunno it doesn't take a $200/hr lawyer to read and understand one sentence but that's just me. I doubt anyone will be tackled to the ground and cuffed because you pulled out and donned a respirator if antifa started spewing pepper spray.

HueTheHand 2017-07-29 17:09:43

It all depends on the state and the town, in RI it can take from 2 weeks for some of the town permits to over 6mo for CCW from the attorney general then states like NJ or NY can take years

crockett 2017-07-29 17:10:57

Take it for what it's worth, but LEO's arrested a bunch of Antifa for masking up after tear gas was deployed.

crockett 2017-07-29 17:11:26

At the Klan rally recently.

Johnny O'Malley 2017-07-29 19:09:36

"We tried to gas you but you tried to protect yourself from it now you're under arrest"

crockett 2017-07-29 19:17:18

Law and law enforcement doesn't always make sense, but it is what it is.

SaintCharles 2017-07-29 20:40:23

@Melektaus @Johnny O'Malley they arrested a man dressed up in joker face paint and charged him with a felony

SaintCharles 2017-07-29 20:41:08

They're going to remember who wears any kind of mask and will arrest you the first chance they get.

Melektaus 2017-07-29 23:42:19

I concede. I forget police aren't on our side. Yet.

Joseph McCarthy - NJ 2017-07-30 03:17:37

Most of them are in Philly lol

WISIS 2017-07-30 07:29:23

Well the face paint joker was a special case, it was some guy dressed up as the joker in carrying around a sword which is legal to carry a sword but they wanted to arrest him and used that as an excuse.

WISIS 2017-07-30 07:29:41

so it means what they want it to mean

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:44:41

When they have political demonstations happening with two aggravated sides, they WILL arrest you for covering your face

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:46:01

@here so what is the conclusion on open carry? I want a sound and solid take on it.

What I mean is, who here has talked to the Cville police about our options for open carry because the 3%ers are always at these things with their guns out right?

crockett 2017-07-30 19:47:48

@Mack Albion
Check pinned messages. I believe that all the information you need is there.

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:52:10

Nope, read through the pins again @crockett and I am seeing nothing like what I asked. It seems that if they really want to they can nail you hard if you are carrying and say you get in a fight, my question is 'what is the current state/mood of the police in this?' because a LOT rides on that.

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:52:55

I guess another way of putting it is this:

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:53:21

Antifa are going to be the ones starting shit, we already know this, do the cops know this?

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:54:04

If I have to smash an antifa in the face for coming at me with a pole, are the cops going to be assholes about the gun I have on my belt?

crockett 2017-07-30 19:54:11

I haven't spoken to anyone in the PD. I can't answer who they think will start the violence.

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:54:20

Okay I think we need to find out

crockett 2017-07-30 19:55:03

Are you thinking that having a gun on you while you get into a fight will bring extra charges?

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:55:19

It says as much in the pins

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:55:38

Enacting a "felony" while possessing a gun can bring extra charges

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:55:49

So it all depends upon the police

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:55:53

Worst case scenario

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:56:33

Depending upon the situation they will be stricter or more lenient, this is just the nature of reality and policing

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:57:02

Their political slant matters, the political slant of the chief of police matters too

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:57:20

Pressure from the public one way or another also comes into play

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:57:31

Police are just guys trying to do a job and keep the peace

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:57:42

But they WILL take sides, the job kinda requires it

crockett 2017-07-30 19:58:10

They can charge you with whatever they want. You'll just have to fight it out with the prosecutor or a judge if it makes it to trial.

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:58:39

They have a new chief

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:58:41

Since June

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:58:48

http://www.albemarle.org/department.asp?department=police&relpage=21038

crockett 2017-07-30 19:59:10

He's a Wes Bellamy pick.

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:59:19
Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:59:24

^^^^

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 19:59:51

Egads

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 19:59:53

VSP were the main LEO's for the klan rally

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:00:13

Oh okay

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:00:23

Read AARs from that

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:00:31

Wes Bellamy NIGGER

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:00:55

You think it will be VSP this time?

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:01:02

Yes

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:01:18

CPD is too small for this

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:01:24

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/superintendent.shtm

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:01:58

VSP will be focused on antifa not us

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:02:38

Especially if we kiss some ass with a few blue lives matter chants

crockett 2017-07-30 20:02:43

VSP, County, City, & Homeland Security police will be there.

Stannisthemannis 2017-07-30 20:03:10

Be nice to cops and they will be nice to you

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:03:23

Can we get in contact with WH?

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:03:31

That's not always the case but most of the time yes

Mack Albion 2017-07-30 20:03:46

I'm simply trying to get a feel for the police and leaders that will be organizing this

crockett 2017-07-30 20:03:50

@Stannisthemannis
A few things blue line flags wouldn't hurt

crockett 2017-07-30 20:04:12

Thin*

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