I love shop talk, all my friends are soft bitches, so I don't get to trade stories like this often. I know I'm lame. Haha

Haha it's cool. Most people haven't really worked a day in their lives

I think one of the worst days was one when these dipshit contractors broke a line going to the carbon black tower. There was carbon all over the factory and we couldn't leave until we got it up. That same week they threw a bunch of steel cable in the trash compactor and ran it, the whole plant continued to throw trash in there until it was full to the brim. This was all during summer shut down so we spent over a day in heat index 116 heat climbing in and out of a trash compactor fully suited and booted(there was toxic chemicals in the compactor)

It was a fiasco

Also the first time I saw someone pass out from heat exhaustion lol

@Deleted User we'd say knock out drag out. The maintenance guys were idiots

Bro that sucks, contractors can be the worst.
Theold timer I work for was telling his buddy who's a carpenter had a new kid on the job, they were cutting plywood and the kid was supposed to be holding it, well he was fucking off and the saw kicked back and cut the carpenter's right thumb off, it ended his career. Circular saws I have great respect for.

Jeez no doubt. If I can tell someone doesn't know what they're doing, or are careless, don't pay attention, or do drugs I simply won't work with them

Not worth it

What i love about we all do is that we make a positive impact on society. Little bitches that have more calluses on their asses than their hands get little respect from me

Right. I swear i could lite a fire by snapping my fingers they're so rough.

@Deleted User my woman has a love hate relationship with my hands

So rough they practically sand down sugar walls

Mine is a scrub nurse so hers is the complete opposite

Slick as glass

My ole lady used to be a professional but now she is very happy raising our son and tending to the house

Gloves curbed mine from being too rough. That and I wash my hands compulsively

I can't hardly work with gloves I have to cut the fingers out of them hobo Style. I see too much with my hands

It doesnt help that i ride motorcycles

@Deleted User me too

You guys need a bit more dexterity, correct?

I'm a basic bitch labor man atm so I can wear thick gloves and it doesn't really effect me

It helps to have Nimble fingers. They're a lot of small meticulous parts and pieces that you're working with constantly.

Gloves screw us electricians

I could see that

And hand lotion is for sissys😂

Haha I take the top layer of skin off with lava soap or hands down. Who needs lotion?

@Deleted User I'm the same way with my gloves, no fingers. I hate gloves.

Jersey gloves with tips cut off all winter long

@Deleted User i thought lotion was for darkies?

Sissies too now lol

@Deleted User haha me too bro

Damn i like this server

@Lebens he uses that lotion for lube bro.

I took this earlier to send you. 100+ yr old mansion on Cherokee pkwy. Round library

Cocoa butter for the niggs

So nice, I was on Cherokee today

Beautiful pic. Love that whites are on the walls

Fkn jews!

What?

Thise paintings are kikes?

The owners their jews

@Deleted User where on Cherokee? There are a lot of Jews in the triangle

Every jew i give estimates to get the jew tax

It's a four story Colonial right across from the golf course on Cherokee Parkway

30% mark up then i show them a 10% discount....

@Deleted User right on. I love that part of Cherokee.
Do you work on historic homes often?

Is it a pain in the ass working on that old stuff?

Was it knob and tube?

The Mansion been wired a few times it's currently wired in bx

Not really just the old shit is heavy duty as hell.

Right on.
When's the last time you guys saw these?

Bx..... that shit is tough to cut. Mc is so much easier to work with now

@RevStench last year

Haha word. I work exclusively in historic buildings, and I don't see them often.

Looks like screw in fuses for knob and tube

I stuck my finger in one as a kid lmao

Or this that a switch?

@Thomas Morrow lol

I think it's a switch. Not sure, I didn't mess with it haha

My luck I'd break it

If its a switch ive never seen one

It was at the height of a switch by a door like a switch, so I just assumed it was one

Louisville is unique because we have the largest collection of Victorian homes in the nation that haven't been remodeled. Our historic society is really strict. If you pull the shutters off and don't replace them they fine you until you do. It's absurd, but I love it because "Old" Louisville is beautiful.

That doesnt sound like muh freedom

It's worth preserving. Nothing modern is comparable.

I respect that

I see all these pictures of historic buildings on the server and twitter and I'm ok, so great your posting this stuff, but am I the only person who's actually saving them?

Remember when the trades were segregated? Whites, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, masons. Blacks brick layers, not masons. Hispanics dry wall, painting, and metal studs.

Still is for the most part

They are switches. They're just spring-loaded the upper one pushed in is for on. The place I was at today has them. You can purchase new ones there replicas for when they wear out

Sweet, thanks for identifying them bro

In the 30 years I've been doing electrical work I can count on both hands the # of black electricians I've worked with

@Lebens around here seems like everyone who swings a hammer calls themselves a carpenter. Low voltage guys calling themselves electricians, nigga you're a cable guy...

@Deleted User wow in the last 15 years I can't tell you how many blacks I've worked with calling themselves carpenters and they can't even read a tape measure.

I only hire our people period

So much of being an electrician is visualizing your work in your head. Whether it's the circuitry or the manner in which you're going to run your conduit racks Etc. They just can't keep up.

Watching One troubleshoot something is a riot

Lmao you're so right

We have to visualize everything

And understand it on an electrical "engineer" level

Nigs troubleshooting is like watching a trainwreck

Haha oh I know. I did cable a few years back to take a break from back breaking labor. And the blacks couldn't handle it. A literal monkey could do it.

A coax stripper and a crimp tool were too much for them to grasp

And cable is so simple, start at the pole every single time and work your way inside. It's cake

@Deleted User pretty much

They follow gibs law

Lil' twitchy on the trigger!

@RevStench How's our man with the red thumb doin?

He seems to be doing ok. He swears he's coming back to work tomorrow. He's that guy who works 7 days a week and thinks he's freaking superman.

He told me that he never felt a thing until after he left the hospital. That's how you know it was pretty bad cut.

Now it'll hurt like hell.

That's what he said. He got lucky. The things I've seen this man do with a circular saw blow my mind, and a fucking ladder took him out.

Well, wish him a speedy recovery from the Alt Right.

Haha will do. He'll appreciate it. He has 12 white grandkids!

Starting my first batch of organic kefir.

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Ukrainian/Russian style Borscht w/ grass fed beef, cabbage from the motherland, onion, organic carrot, potatoes, dill, organic garlic, crushed black pepper, Georgian nectar herbs, majoram, lemon juice, and a little organic whole milk.

That looks amazing

@Havamal Wow

Danke

A new Blurb should be up tomorrow about what kind of tools you need to always have on hand in your garage.

Also I start my Comercial Driver's License Program on the 21st, I'll take pictures of equipment to post up if I can.

@Yuma County Are you thinking about driving long haul?

@RevStench#3208 planning on it

New blurb in the <#339423792881336320> channel, guys. It's pretty simple this week.

thanks @Yuma County!

@Yuma County Right on bro. That'll be a lot of fun and good times.

Hey

Welcome aboard everyone just joining us.

Hey guys just joining as well

Hi 😃

Hallo

Hey

Hello everyone

Hello 😃

Henlo

Howdy y'all

If you're not familiar with the set-up, have a look in the <#338772935462354945> channel. Lots of good info from a lot of smart people on this server.

Welcome, all.

Anyone here HVAC?

@REVNAT/PA yeah I believe @Lebens can help you.

@REVNAT/PA i contract HVAC. Post your question in electrical discussion please

OSHA has shown up twice this week to one of my job sites. Make sure everyone is up to date on compliance. This get expensive quick if you're busted. Fall prevention is the big one.

This is another reason residential is more profitable. Osha shows up to commercial projects. Commercial projects honestly do not have profit margin to time/material ratios that i find worth my time. In residential im in and out loke the wind with average material cost being 10% of ticket value

Example a $5k job will take me 1 day with material being around $500

In commercial after your time and material matrix you're lucky for 10% profit margins and youve wasted months

OSHA gets me because I work over 60ft often doing box gutters.
It's hard to fly under the radar when you see that scaffolding mess haha.
I work on time and materials too because doing historic preservation it's the only way to be fair. You have no idea how bad things could be until you open it up.
Historical preservation/restoration can get expensive quick, for example box gutters can break the bank, they run $200 to $250 a linear foot. I've worked on homes that run around $50k to have the gutters replaced on the whole home.
In that pic thats less than 20ft of gutter, it wraps the corner about 3 feet back, we replaced the dentil block too, that ran right around $7k. We made out like bandits, now we're doing the other side, which should go faster, because the "rafter tails" aren't rotten on this side.

Ignore that if you're an OSHA asshole.haha

You bill your customers on t&m? I do "flat rate" or "upfront" pricing..... this way they are clueless

Also i agree remodels have so many unknown variables that i tack on another 30% just to be safe

That padding usually hits my pockets nicely because unforseen issues i handle myself

And keep the helpers on task

Yes sir, time and materials. We only work on historic homes. We do add extra to what we charge for each carpenter. We're a 2 man crew no laborers.
Like with box gutters we charge 200 to 250 a linear foot, but if the whole thing doesn't need to be rebuilt it could be cheaper so we come out ahead.

Nice

We do get an insurance job every now and then and we bid those.
I don't have a lot of competition because we're specialized in historic work.
Do you do free quotes? We don't, I won't leave the shop or a job site to look at a job unless I make $100. No one else works for free why do people expect us to?

We should have a thread for budgeting and money management. Discuss ways to save money, invest it safely. No need for things to get too personal but it'd help a lot. @sigruna14

Would @everyone be interested in this?☝🏻 It's been suggested before. Please click the thumbs up react if so.

We have an entire server dedicated to budgeting and money management but I don't think it's used whatsoever

Huh.

Oldfag here with a Master's in business, 20 years of investment experience, lived as an adult through the last two major market events, and "successful person" *of course* wants to share his wisdom.

And ran multiple small businesses and works for giant public company now.

I also taught a class/seminar on budgeting for continuing ed & GED candidates sponsored by my Rotary club with the local school system back when I still did Rotary stuff.

I tried to make something like this, but I got side-tracked as a death in the family happened right after. I feel like it would be better here- I'd prefer to have it all in one place. Plus, there are people here who would be significantly more knowledgeable than me- I'm still a (((finance student)))

@Why Tea still interested in entrepreneurship?

Yes, to an extent.

@everyone While we're on the subject, someone brought up the idea of a tech channel as well. We had one on the main server but, for now at least, its down. Click the thumbs up react if you'd like us to add it here.

👍🏻

Combine this book with The Art of the Deal and some basic NLP and you've got the social tactics that won Trump the presidency. http://elibrary.bsu.az/books_400/N_232.pdf

Anyone planning buying art of the argument?

Molyneux

I've heard good things about it

Anyone here?

I have a question, when someone sues in a case like the transgenders against trump, how can I find out who is representing them and possibly paying the legal fees.

I'd like to put together a database of these instances.

I should get Molyneux's book tomorrow

That's not an argument

@Placidseven - MO#5546 use PACER and enter the names of one of the parties

WUT

Does anyone know anything about ham radios? Basically everything I find online isn't translated to grunt.

@Deleted User Any interest in a "real estate " or "contractor" group(s)?

I have a lot of experience in both

Me and some friends are looking at some properties in RI that could be turned into hotel and convention space

Me and some friends are looking at some properties in RI that could be turned into hotel and convention space

Understanding the costs of renovation is very important before we make a decision

Remodels are one of the most expensive types of building. Always figure 30% more in costs and time

@dog0fwar#8313 You got investors? Done a proforma on this place?

The property is foreclosed and selling at a huge discoubt

46,000 SQ ft for 350k

In a town that has one small bed and breakfast that is constsntly booked

And we MAY have an investor who furnishes hotels

When running the numbers I always plan for worst case scenario so most likely I'll end up in the black. Sounds like a fun project. There's also commercial real estate groups that release annual reviews of trends and locales. Those are good to look at to get a sense of the market in your area

In Nashville there's currently over 60 hotels in the pipeline so this is the last place I'd want to open something

This is Woonsocket RI

I used to have a co-worker who bought a house in a college town, replaced the drywall with plywood, and advertised it as a party house. He rented it for $50-$100 cheaper than the average place, and still made a killing because repairs were minimal.

The trick is that you have to get the parents to buy into it, because most of the time, they're paying for it, not their asshole kids.

Just wanted to say to all the <@&322715617138311171> folks that I'm thoroughly enjoying the lessons. I'm reading through each one and saving them for later use. I haven't left many comments but they're all excellent and very useful. Thanks!

@Deleted User ZOG smashed which server?

The national server

The main one

F

Good grief

When will heebs finally learn that they will not divide us?

They are just trying to trip us up.

How hard are private message boards to create? We should be able to get a cookie cutter version and make our own.

I like that idea

Private forum?

It's really easy although I'm not sure of the price. There's templates we can use to create an app. Then we just download it.

I would be worried about security.

Yeah. The best option is to go more underground with our internet communications. Something with 256 encryption would be ideal. Discord is no longer safe.

Great to see all you goys

@JesseJames Is the national server back up?

Not for me I just got a link to here after only having my state server since the main went down

Oh, gotya

@JesseJames @John O - Yeah its back up. You can find the link on the fitness channel

I don't have the fitness one

I'll DM ya

Me too

Why don't they just post it in the fucking state servers?

They should be.

@David Darnell - MT thanks bro

No prob

If you guys come across anyone else who is a member but doesn't have access, tell them to ask a state coordinator or me.

Gotcha

someone need an invite to the fitness server?

Hey fellas, you have another electrical worker in your midst now.

@JRobertson welcome bro. Always glad to have more tradesmen around.

@JRobertson what kind of work do you do?

I guess I should give my skills. I'm a former ase certified tech of 9 years and now work on heavy equipment. I'll keep an eye on the mechanical page to see if I can be of service

Commercial, right now I'm on an office/auto diesel shop job for a technical college.

I was hoping there was a server like this, I have a vision of us getting together to build homes and split profits one day, in addition to keeping work within the movement so we help eachother out when we need something.

Right on bro. We'll need more than one framer before anything haha

Do we have any concrete goys?

I'm not sure. But I've worked on commercial concrete jobs as a carpenter to build forms. If that's any help to you?

I was just curious if we have people who are experienced enough to pour footings and the like .

I've done a little concrete sidewalks and setting posts.

@JRobertson we have set up a server related to RE investments that i invited you to

Great

if anyone else is interested in joining a RE investments related website I will gladly invite you

@Zyzz dm me, please and thank you sir

@RevStench invite sent

@Zyzz can I get an invite for the Investments server please

Thanks bro

@Deleted User sent

Ty

The housing industry in my area is particularly booming and I would love to organize something, my father has been a respected contractor for some time and is essentially on board. I would love to get an IE traveling work camp going.

sounds awesome.. i suppose you guys are familar with flipping houses as well?

I tried my hand at remodeling a house I chose a civil war era house for my first turned out great and was fun sold it and made little profit wish I had kept it. All original doors and trim railings and all. What few pieces of trim that was missing I duplicated the original. Had one modern bath room and a modern kitchen but kept the rest old school.

Didn't I hear somebody talking about that in a podcast somewhere?

If so wasn't me if that's what your referring to

@JesseJames You screwed up hard

@John O - on the house?

Yuh

My cousin's father in law is one of the largest dairy producers in the NE. Every year, he buys a few dozen more acres, and absorbs all these beautiful 200 year old houses.

My cousin and his wife are living for free in one. It's kind of crappy, and they have a kid, but all he has to do is fix it a bit

That's easier said than done

Believe me I know man. I bout the house for 75 and sold it for 120 but unfortunately I ate up all the profit redoing it and building garage

@John O - spread your seed and maybe you can get one.

I'm only 22. I have a few years.

That's the problem with flipping, though. People only look at the gross, not the net, and say "I made $30k!"

Yep the gross don't mean shit haha. If I had a chance to do it over again I could have done much better I made a lot of mistakes and done some things over a couple times and spent way to much on insignificant things and not enough on other important things.

I was 21 when I wed my wife and knocked her up the first time lol

^nice

yeah with flipping we would need to have a good idea of costs and plan accordingly

the other nice thing about flipping is we could do this:

- buy house all cash

- fix it up

- take out a mortgage on it

-rent it out

- take the proceeds from the refi and put that into the next house