this is money power as Spengler wrote of it

inb4 someone says all of V4 are puppets

@reactionarytree there's nothing wrong with capitalism if you temper it with virtue

if you aren't a literal communist russian sperg, your opinion is invalid @Josh M. -OH *

you cant temper it with virtue

@Virgil It's really dangerous to assume it'll just work out like that. Poland came really close to getting refugees.

we tempered free enterprise with virtue quite well for about 150 years...

the only way to keep capitalism in check is to wield authority over the economy

ok, fairly well

If you do whatever it takes to make a buck of course there will be problems. @reactionarytree personally I'm a capitist.

Gilded Age notwithstanding

@The Eternal Anglo People can hold various economic positions. When somebody's advocating the cultural tenets of communism, call me.

@Jacob Yes and then Civic Platform was voted out of power

Or communism by name

"socialism" means a lot of different things to different people but the definition is that "the people control the means of production" - you can interpret that however you want

I don't support communism. I acknowledge that there was good and bad aspects to the Soviet Union.

in practice, it can be done a variety of ways

The idea that people in the post-Stalin USSR were just starving to death is insane

ironically, some people on the dissident right do the same as the left and act like American history began in 1945/1965. We had free enterprise without being degenerate before then

Understood. Still, history lists the USSR in the and as a failure. Sure, yes, with all that land and populace you will succeed, but only by so much.

Judging the entire thing based on some famine in the 30s is like judging the US by the great depression

ultimately, the market must be reigned in. we should not live in a market society. we should live in a society that has a market

@Jacob They were malnourished still, most of the USSR diet was starches and empty carbs

While Jimmy in America was drinking a shake and having steaks with his blonde GF

@reactionarytree of course. But that's hardly "NazBol", that's just regulated free enterprise

The reason I don't believe the malnourishment thing is because I'd have family members with stunted growth if that was true @The Eternal Anglo

capitalism + economic protectionism is still capitalism

Read Burnham's 'Managerial Revolution' and Lasch's 'Culture of Narcissism' - there's a reason things are the way they are nowadays and its not just "da jooz"

@Jacob Bad diets don't really stunt growth at all my dude

You can gain inches by good eating and exercise but not by much

malnourishment stunts growth

I've read Lasch - good read. Of course it's not just The Jews(tm)

Typo guys

@Alex Kolchak - NY I wouldn't say I'm against free enterprise, but I'm against capitalism as it exists today

@reactionarytree as I said I'm personally economic protectionist

Starving African tribes are still tall, even though they are malnourished

@Jacob certain aspects are certainly out of control

There's a reason the 1965 Immigration Act happened. We were broken before then.

Height is almost 100% genetic

oh wow an economics discussion yeah that's exciting

"capitalism" didn't cause 1965. jewish-irish interests in displacing the anglo ruling class caused 1965

@ThisIsChris My jimmies are rustled by literal Nazbol posting

just kidding, so which side should be the official economic system of IE?

why did feminism happen? why did multiculturalism and open borders happen? breaking down these barriers is part of an economic process that capitalism facilitated

@The Eternal Anglo Do you have a source that Africans grow to their full height potential?

@ThisIsChris State-issued GF-ism

@reactionarytree Jews. Unironically

the frankfurt institute more specifically as far as an institutional reason

Who created Communism, who rules American and has ruled it since the 1900's?

it was more than jews. unironically.

@The Eternal Anglo they won't be liking socialism when they see the taxes on their first paycheck! HIYOOOOO!

Thank you Mr Kirk

you have a system that allows, not only allows, but favors this subversion. why?

@reactionarytree Then we should have had a Communist system made in one of our countries in the last thousands of years if it wasn't Jews

capitalist interests

National Capitalism + economic protectionism doesn't favor da ebil israel

@reactionarytree personally I'd place it upon moral degenerative behavior. You can make a dollar in many a fashion. But without morals the love of money is the root of all evil

@reactionarytree Germany was Capitalist with restrictions but not Communist

Became a Super power in 14 years

And we still use their technology today

they were national S O C I A L I S T

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Germany during that time also eliminated income and property tax...

jesus I feel like I'm reading a boomer post from an 85 year old

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the Nazis were sOcIaLisTs just like the DeMoNKKKraps

consider the following: socialism doesnt automatically equal breadlines and gulags

If you have a society where there is a totally insane work life balance and there's people at the bottom who have to work 40 hours a week and barely afford bills, that's bad for community

it means "the people control the means of production"

@reactionarytree No, but Communism permitted it

Let's not go into natsoc posting.

@reactionarytree so do people here in the States

discussing an economic system is allowed as far as this conversation has gone based on server admin's post

Identitarianism does predecate upon an explicit economic/political position

Capitalism has made more rights for the Working class than Communism ever dreamt of.

capitalism, the same capitalism that imports illegals to undermine the working class?

The Chinese have nets around their factories so the workers can't kill themselves

Apparently 11:30 is real wignat hours

I like it

what does free enterprise have to do with immigration policy?

jesus heckin heck, you keep referring to international capitalism as the same thing as national capitalism. why do you continue to be so intentionally obtuse?

@reactionarytree We didn't import illegals for the last several thousands of years with our various forms of Capitalism through the ages.

really? @Alex Kolchak - NY

immigrants are labor

@Alex Kolchak - NY Why do you think immigrants are here?

Again, you're thinking of Corperatism, a government within itself

the reserve army of labor

Guys I'm beseeching you. Don't make me curb the Convo

why do you think capitalism pushes women in the workforce narratives?

one can have closed borders, national capitalism with protectionist trade policies. ffs

@reactionarytree we didn't have that until the 1965 Act which was passed at the behest of a certain tribal group, before that a moderated capitalism worked just fine here and reflected our American character. Please see our rail road explosion.

Capitalism is not responsible for illegal immigration. Simple corporate greed is.

MORE WORKERS TO UNDERMINE THE WORKERS

simple supply and demand

@The Eternal Anglo Perhaps but the issue is that the labor of the working class is far less valuable than it used to be. In the 1960's sure Capitalism was the best economic policy, however things have changed and so has society, I think we need to find something beyond Socialism and Capitalism.

I must have missed the part where Adam Smith said "bring in infinite Mexicans"

Also, the people didn't control the production lines in the USSR @reactionarytree The party members did

more workers = lower wages

hint: elites don't support immigration to smash racism

actually, jewish social engineers pushed women in the workforce, not a word that has no power to push anything in "capitalism"

much better to have Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve to control USA than the party members, right?

holy strawman batman

for the love of god @reactionarytree

are you completely denying that any kind of free enterprise, subject to reasonable restriction, is a good idea?

@reactionarytree The USSR couldn't create a sub sonic air liner by themselves, they couldn't create a assault rifle by themselves, or cars, or super cars, or ads, or factory structuring or tanks, or working fighter planes, or RPGs.....

unironically, i don't know why you don't immigrate to russia.

🤦

Seriously all of their major inventions were failures

I think I asked a reasonable question

you did

I have stated my position

The best thing they made for their people were the LADA and they only made 2 million of them for the 140 million USSR citizens!

I said any type of third position

History < Nazbol-ism

well that answer is totally unrelated to his question, but ok

third position... what?

not this phony "based" pinochet authoritarian run neoliberalism

actual third position

@Alex Kolchak - NY he's saying a larp ideology without saying the actual name per server rules

yes how does that anwer my question

Well let's be honest not all Third positions are created equal

@Sam Southern - TN yupp.

to reiterate, is all free enterprise bad? even if subject to restrictions and a pro-white immigration policy?

I.E is professional but EXPLICITLY right wing.

wanting economic reform is now "larping"

got it

pro-white immigration policy is to close the border tbh @Alex Kolchak - NY

"right wing" in what way?

only creating wild strawmans with no basis in reality = your posting ability

@Sam Southern - TN that could work

identitarianism is supposed to trascend the left vs right paradigm

yes of course. now can you answer my question?

I'm genuinely interested

i said third position

good god that's still not answering the question

🤦

@reactionarytree what is the third?

Personally I favor a mixed economy, with a vigorous welfare state and a free enterprise based market economy to support it. Essentially a slightly more ethno-nationalist version of the Danish or Finnish economies.

"if i call it nazbol, it's cool then"

We know your talking points...

how am i not answering the question? do i have to give specific details of every aspect of my imaginary economic system?

@reactionarytree Bro,

In your mind you may think yourself to have been eloquent and insightful.

I have found your argument to be swerving all over the road, while taking pot shots and throwing straw mans at all passers by.

it's a really simple yes or no question

Centrist economics, fellas

is free enterprise always bad, even if subject to reasonable pro-worker policies and a pro-white immigration policy?

Economics: does it really work?

im not for a communist system and im not for a capitalist system. im not sure what exactly the future economic system will look like in the future bc i cant predict the future

What I want to know is where the h\*ck all my tax money is going

ok I give up

Also, what stocks are gonna go up tomorrow

you managed to type a ton of words and still not answer the question, nice

the bitcoin stock @ThisIsChris

Let’s keep it respectful.

@Alex Kolchak - NY I do like the bits.

ive answered your question. you apparently want some autistically descriptive definition

Maybe it's time for bytecoin

you can't type "yes" or "no" apparently in response to the question

no... I was asking if you agree or not. as in yes or no, is this true

which question

there's been too many

lmao

the one I asked like 3 times in a row

ok fellas give me a chance here

Invest in gold and silver.

@Josh M. -OH is it a good time to buy now?

I bought my first silver last year, it's gone down a bit so I'm wondering if I should buy more @Josh M. -OH

@ThisIsChris Im hopeing it goes below 1,000

"is free enterprise always bad, even if constrained by reasonable worker protections and pro-white immigration policy?" this is my question @reactionarytree

@V.Balboa - PA that would be awesome, I would love to buy some gold, I don't have any yet except my wedding ring

no

ok. thank you.

thats why i advocate for third position

@reactionarytree What did this mean ?

I'm put off in why you wanted to bait me into calling I.E the anti-thesis of Communism

Im more of a sliver man myself

but the only way such an economic system can exist is without democracy

@The Eternal Anglo Well, you have to compare to what they started from. The Russian empire was using literal manual plows.

And I don't think it's fair to say they had 2 million cars for 140 people, because that wasn't the only model. And I'm sure a lot of people used public transportation. Car culture is a very American thing. Even in nicer European countries people use public transportation.

@ThisIsChris over the year it's ok. I always see it as a very long term investment.

"right wing" means different things to different people

it could mean caricature of a republican

or it can mean it in the European New Right sense

Yeah we're not necessarily right wing

@Josh M. -OH you ever get platinum or palladium or those other ones?

which is not really "right wing"

I don't think "free enterprise" is bad. I want businesses to exist. However, I also want corporations to be forced to be good members of their community.

@ThisIsChrisnope

Also, some industries might be better off nationalized

Also I was thinking we should go back to the gold standard, except next time it should be the bitcoin standard

the European New Right is a label that the media applied to people like de Benoist

@Valaska oh God yes, first time I got something from the community colleges

@Josh M. -OH cool well thanks for your thoughts. Do you buy coins or bars?

Maybe I'll do Spokane Community College in the morning

@ThisIsChriscoins. I cant afford bars.

Plus they look cooler

Anyone read raven of Zurich

@Josh M. -OH yes for gold I'd definitely get coins since they look cooler. For Silver I realized the coins have a lot of grooves that make it hard to clean off the tarnish. (some people say not to touch your silver coins but for me that's half the fun!)

@Valaska no what is that?

Written by austrian Swiss banker

@Valaska Wait is he Austrian or is he Swiss?

Austrian Swiss sounds like a shifty character

Good question

Both

not taking aside here, but O'sullivan's law is a pretty interesting concept

@Valaska he's a <gasp!> Dual Citizen

anything not explicitly right wing will become left wing in time

@Valaska From one of the articles you posted

"Identity Evropa embraces and elevates Euro-centric identity."

sounds like a pretty cool group

@ThisIsChrisyeah, a lot of people like the collector aspect of the coins. Increases their value. Sometimes I'll just get unpopular ones for a good price.

Best! Keep up the good work out there

Jacob

Thanks I'll try. Maybe I'll go to the other community college early in the morning. They still have finals next week so could be worth it.

@Kingfish very based and med pilled keep it up bro

lol the article included a really nice picture of a poster

thanks for the advertisement

There was a time when ethno-nationalism was left wing and multiculturalism was right wing. I think we should move past the false right-left dichotomy and embrace what works best for our people.

hol up

when was ethnonationalism left wing?

that sounds like a left wing I could be part of lol

but yes I agree with your statement

maybe not ethno-nationalism, but nationalism was initially a liberal movement relative to imperialism, at least in Europe

oh that was definitely ethno-nationalism

oh I guess you’re right. Just between European ethnicities

the thing is, some leftists, like Lenin, make a distinction between nationalism for "oppressed" groups and for "oppressor" groups

there's some interesting writings on it

Stalin wrote a paper about it, too

@Jacob During the Romantic Period in the aftermath of the French Revolution, the conservatives were imperialists while the liberals were nationalists.

oh yeah I once didn’t-read that for a class, lol

Communism did some bad things, Capitalism did some good things. But *today* it is globalist corporatism (economic capitalist / culturally Marxist) that is the enemy. That is why antifa (supposed commies) essentially act as the irregular forces for Big Tech.

"right wing" farmers illegally employ Mestizos to save shekels. "left wing" activists help Mestizos to disposses whites.

Feminists agitated to destroy the family. They got help in their 20th century quest from capitalists to devalue labor.

And we all know the left/right "kosher sandwich.,

CONSIDER "left" and "right" are meaningless and obselete terms, because the enemies of European peoples represent aspects of both.

As the problem embodies the worst aspects of both "left" and "right," an Identitarian solution should embody the best. That would be something like "third position," or just Nationalism to defeat Globalism.

If Identitarians no longer feel the need to hold on to the compromised "alt-Right" umbrella brand, why hang on to "right" at all? Be simply Identitarian, an advocate for white well being.

And be kind to your brothers.
We are all in Globalism's crosshairs.

I need a hot take

is james field going to prison or what?

will the jews nail him down or will justice be carried out?

Probably not the best thing to talk about in gen chat, man

its just a legal case. a sign of the times.

imo maybe manslaughter but from what I understand hes being charged with first degree which seems completely ridiculous

Lord, make me an instrument of your will. Where there is injustice against my people may I bring right. Where there is error may I bring truth. Where my people despair may I bring hope. Grant that I may comfort my people rather than to be comforted - to serve them rather than to be served. For it is by putting the needs of my people before my own that I may best serve to secure the existence of my race and a future for White children. Good night, and peace be with you.

Give us this day our daily bread. Make me an instrument of thy will my Lord.

Blessed & Breadpilled

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I agree with that entire assessment, just one small thing.

I don't think we should misuse the word "corporatism", the actual definition of which is actually pretty good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

I actually looked it up and "corporatocracy" is the word you guys are looking for. I've seen a few people on here make this mistake.

@Jacob Ah. interesting
Perhaps my former lefty was showing. "Corporatism" is the term used to refer to Rule by Corporations in lefty circles.

internationalism is basically international corporatism

@Jacob noted

its weird because if you look at things like the CLOUD act we have national sovereignty, but only because it gives the government power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

What's interesting is that Scandinavia actually has a corporatist system, and lefties seem to like them

it has nothing to do with the actual interests of the people

@Jacob corporatism works well when it jiives with the nation & the people. basically when its totalitarian - when the nation: the people, religion, social structure, cultural structure, etc. all work as one. I think this is because corporatism is one of the highest forms of business abstraction a group of people can attain. As a result as long as the result of the subservient components are in line & working together, corporatism works very smoothly.

That sounds reasonable

back to studying for me. Be well, ye big brains

Who else is excited to go to the National conference 😃