Well, I read a book on Catherine the Great, and toward the end of her reign it seemed like the poles were starting to get angry at being controlled.

Poland was civnat for a while

Okay here it is

This is probably the biggest whitepill

Poland used to be insanely pozzed

WOW.

some of Eastern Europe’s nationalist parties used to be pro-EU integration

institutions can change too

Even the liberal poles I know living in Poland oppose immigration.

I downloaded some document from 1918. It was a census on Jews across Europe and the US. Poland was once 10% Jewish. Massachusetts had and still has a ton of Jews.

Blah blah Polish overton window blah blah

@Selma it’s true though...

I know! I'm just being flippant about the liberal Poles being anti-immigration.

oh

Honestly I'd probably be left wing in an ethnostate lol

not with like trannies and stuff

But I mean I wouldn't mind a well designed form of socialism in a homogenous society

I am Left Wing outside of an ethnostate

Left Wing /= wants diversity

I am center up wing outdated of a microstate

Radical capitalist Ethnostate for me.

@ChippedStones I din do get dat

I pay my employees well and don’t need government telling me to do it.

@John O - you’re bob miller

uh oh maybe we shouldn't start an economics debate lol

It’s more a moral debate @Jacob

™ ok ™

I’m a moral stationary point

I'm very strictly opposed, morally, to unfettered Capitalism

Should helping your fellow man be a voluntary thing we encourage or something you’re forced to do? And what kind of society is created by trying to force benevelence..

I think you could balance free enterprise with a limited welfare state that didn’t incentivize dependence

I would like if people just helped each other out, but they often don't

See early history of US. Totally incorrect.

Corporations should be forced to act in the common good because they accumulate capital with the help of state power

Mutual aid societies were abundant.

See current state of affairs

Government killed them off ^

And people are demonstrably less charitable in multi ethnic societies.

Why do you think people import H1Bs?

White America was very charitable.

it’s sort of a paradox because social welfare is most sustainable in high-trust societies, but also less necessary

Because regulations and public school have made many Americans into skillless morons.

I live in Maine and voted for all the stuff I'd typically vote no on, because we're such a white state. The social stuff.

I voted on saltine crackers and gummy snacks for all

@Alex Kolchak - NY agreed.

Make gummy saltine sandwich

@Alexander Pechorin blatantly untrue, there are more college grads now than ever

That proves the point.

college degree =/= intelligence

College is not teaching the vast majority of grads skills.

And avg. debt is 40k.

@Alex Kolchak - NY nah dude it correlates pretty strongly

It is hamstringing people, not helping.

You're saying that a person who graduates with a STEM degree is less skilled than an Indian?

See: regulations. White Americans are less competitive. It’s not just education.

Less competitive because outsiders are driving down the cost of labor

Intelligence =/= knowledge

Because they pay less taxes..

And are subject to less employment regulations.

Your mixed economy is making whites less competitive.

No, because their families live in 3rd world countries

They come here, make bank living wi tbh 7 other guys, and then go home

Even Mexicans here with their families here have less trouble. They all live together and can afford lower wages.

So the only way to make it in America is live in poverty with your whole family and cousins?

If feet are cold in building that is cold with outside that is cold what do with feet?

Unfortunately now given the state of the government boondoggled healthcare and taxes we pay, yes.

I see my employees bills.

It’s disgusting what they have to pay.

To the state.

So I pay them more. Then they have to give even more. And for what benefits?

If you don't think that in a system of unfettered Capitalism, the people willing to do anything to make a buck won't rise to the top, you're sorely mistaken

See robber barons

Obamacare is a horrible system, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have state healthcare

I've always thought the state ought to provide value in order to earn its funding. Taxes being taken at the proverbial point of a gun don't sit right with me. I'd like to see the state compete economically somehow and earn its pay.

The “Robber Barons” used government pull to regulate outsiders.

The only railroad that didn’t go bankrupt was James Hill, who took no government money.

The fact is, poor people will end up with bills they can't pay, while the business elite gets rich while taking advantage of state help

And H1B1 visas are state sanctioned indentured servitude. They are more competitive because the company owns their right to work in the country. If they leave the company, they get kicked out. So they have to work for less money.

should be able to vote on your tax allocations

How did they get to the point of vast enough wealth to influence one of the most powerful nations in the world in the first place, of not by slitting throats?

Hahahah this is hilarious. https://youtu.be/pZk6ia1vFAc

I didn’t slit any throats 😉

And you're not rich

Corporations will generally do whatever maximizes their profits and minimizes expenses, even if that is harmful to the public. I would not trust big business to be totally deregulated.

^

They also build that capital using the power of the state

Which is why they should be forced to give something back

That's why they hire illegals for $3/h to work the farms

Lobbying has stupid high ROI

How much should they “give back?” What did they “take” to begin with?

My company pays millions in taxes every year as it is.

We hav a 500k bill coming up in December just because of the inventory we have on shelf.

You're subsidizing larger businesses because they got to the top through shady means, and then used their influence to screw you

I think I’m subsidizing browns mostly.

That too

There's more than 1 problem in America

They use the power of the state to provide security to protect capital and to help them build distribution networks. They would have nothing without the state. They should give back whatever is necessary to ensure a good standard of living for the workers while still keeping the business productive.

Getting rid of browns doesn't solve everything

Employing people now is expensive. It costs me so much money to hire someone.

There's a reason Amazon exists in the US and not in Somalia. The state here is better.

Before we even discuss their salary.

All because of the regulatory climate.

Because you're competing with people who hire illegals, who lobbied the government for their ability to do so, to gain advantage over your business

I'm not a full commie who is gonna say that corporations commit theft or whatever. Plenty of businessmen are good guys.

I would rather take away their right to lobby than regulate myself even more.

Regulations on hiring illegals have hidden implications

We were sued once by the state because we accidentally hired one who had all the valid paperwork and passed a background check.

I agree — don;t hire them. But law has unintended consequences.

It’s not a magical wand.

And before I’m criticized for hiring a Mexican, the state requires we are diverse.

Or else we get sued....

They got that right first. And they got that right because they grew up in unfettered capitalism, and amassed so much wealth that they were able to BUY THE GOVERNMENT

@Virgil Exactly.

How can you purchase government pull in the economy if they have no power to exercise control over it to begin with?

Money is power

If you have enough money, you buy power

They do have power to exercise it unless we go full ancap

Interesting debate, of course. But please do understand that for every law, there is often an unintended consequence.

I wish it were a magic wand.

And that all we need to do is pass X law to control bad behavior.

That doesn't mean that lawlessness is better. "Why even try?"

I haven’t called for that.

we should do isidewith

it'll be fun

I’d enjoy that.

This debate is about unfettered Capitalism

Capitalism does indeed still have laws.

Akin to lawlessness

No.

Unfettered

Lawless

You cannot have Capitalism without legal protections on property rights.

And protection from force and fraud.

There are legal preconditions. Without those, we aren’t discussing capitalism.

I'm talking about putting restrictions on the system itself, not the restrictions inherent in the system

Perhaps we should have agreed to a definition before starting 😉

I'm taking isidewith right now

someone redpill me on fracking

not sure how to answer that question

oh okay

Basically they pump food grade detergent between layers of stone underground

Fracking is cool, it was invented by the soviets.

thanks

You can actually drink the stuff

They had to meet quotas so they found new ways to extract petroleum.

The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels is the best book on the topic of various fuels I’ve read.

Alot of the fracking in colorado is done on old coal seams where oil production wasnt being done

@Alexander Pechorin published by the Koch Brothers?

By Alex Epstein. Admittedly Jew but a good book.

Saudis hate frackers.

Locavores Dilemna is a related book by Pierre Desrochers

Should the U.S. expand offshore oil drilling?

Yes.

Yes.

Energy independence until glorious nuclear energy is the way lads

We clean our messes pretty fast.

"permanently poison your drinking water and create new earthquake zones to own the Muslims!"

<:really:453005408064241674> <:really:453005408064241674>

I honestly don't know. If th alternative is to buy more from Saudi Arabia, then yes, but if the alternative is nuclear or something else based and redpilled then no.

There are always tradeoffs.

I'm personally for wood gasification. Will have a wood gasified engine on my next truck.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN baysed

I voted to expand drilling

This last election

On the water front fracking isnt even close to the most apocalyptic fear, the ogalala aquafer has been drained more than 50% since the 40s, basically the heartland has consumed tens of thousands of years of stored water to feed the planet

I feel like our domestic energy use is truly idiotic, we could cut out half the power demand pretty readily, but industry will still need mass energy like nuclear or hydro, though damaging riverine system irritates me

I try to vote for whatever screws over big corporations the most

as long as they import H1Bs, they're my enemies

Jacob we NazBol buddies?

hell ya

We need more Henry Fords to save America

Brb gonna go make a ketchup samich with salt on it

B&R

I don’t import H1s, but I’ll send you guys a tax bill next time it hits me

Thanks you!

@metasophocles You have industry captains, they just mostly all work for the enemy

Regretfully 😦

Musk is possibly somewhat our guy. Or maybe just high.

@Alexander Pechorin How big is your company?

Henry Ford was the original /our/ guy

Well, I perhaps shouldn’t give an exact figure, but we do well into 8 figures

And have tens of million in real estate and inventory assets.

Over 100 employees, that will likely double next year.

wow

oh wow

Well I hope you're having kids. You can afford to and can actually get a wife in current year

7 at least. I just got engaged to a perfect woman.

I had a small family growing up and that always bothered me.

There was an initiative in Washington that would create a new tax on corporations, but the biggest ones would be exempt. These guys are really slimy and try everything to screw over good guys like you.

yes ^ it’s awful. I agree.

It exempt like the 5 biggest or something

very weird

I don’t deny corporatism exists. It’s evil. I just disagree on the solution.

Because unfortunately many attempts to fix that screw us over.

I mean, to be fair, that wasn't really an example of capitalism

Though it is an example of how Amazon and the like are pretty universally evil

Amazon has made it difficult for us because their subsidized free shipping changes consumer behavior.

Now the expectations have totally changed unnaturally.

That seems kind of inevitable when we let corporations get too large

That they'll buy themselves political power

Perhaps. Perhaps not. This is one of the better original essays on unintended consequences of law though and it should inform attempts to regulate: bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

Thanks

@metasophocles I know Henry Ford wanted the US to us Ethanol instead of petroleum. We'd have the fuel we need from corn.

It takes more ethanol to go the same distance, but it works pretty well.

oh God

@Isabella Locke-MT Your kid's future Identitarian playmate was out doing activism the other day. https://twitter.com/IdentityEvropa/status/1065040340942499840

I saw that 😛

huh

I updated the results to include obscure candidates

What are these results of? @Jacob

isidewith

ahh

The immigration questions really skewed the results I think

you can click how important the questions are to you

Hard pass

tfw they wanna guilt the country that stopped the Nazis like the Nazis. Okay bud

oh wait I should post this on the Slav server I keep forgetting we have that

@Sam Anderson So glad I'm not a libertarian anymore.

Yeah lolbertarianism is tiresome

The JFG stream is getting super avtistic lol

AKA he is reading the chat

“I will not read zis comment”

"No for ze 26th time, my girlfriend is neither retarded, nor Jewish"

lowkey tho Im agnostic on both of those questins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Communist_Workers%27_Party_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

Why would you give a party such a weird convoluted name?

What exactly were these people thinking?

Libertarianism is astrology for white dudes

Russian Communist Workers' Party of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

https://youtu.be/n2pB-6pus6c

@Patrick hot take

It's not my take I got it off commie twitter

GuaCom

Best Pic of the day

State Mandated Goblin Wives

That is the first pillar Of Jeb Bush Thought

Second is Vast Collectivized Avacado Orchards

If you’re saying that’s best picture of the day you missed bird nationalism posting

Third Pillar is Nationwide 45 mph speed limit. "Slow & Steady" doctrine

@VinceChaos good lunch hour lol

imo, this article is excellent Basic Conservative outreach against Civic Nationalism

Knowing that the mainstream thinks that "becoming European" is being a slumlord and renting tenements to other incompatible peoples who hate and abuse Europeans should make it abundantly clear that being European is not geographically defined.
You are of a people.

https://www.facebook.com/AltRight/posts/2139701942972667?__tn__=-UC-R

wow general is quiet today

Many are likely preparing to travel on the holiday

Or everyone is at the gym / church / dates / big brain symposium

"On another level of communication, humor is essential, for through humor much is accepted that would have been rejected if presented seriously." Rules for Radicals

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN true