Message from @John O -

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2018-11-20 23:58:23 UTC  

And H1B1 visas are state sanctioned indentured servitude. They are more competitive because the company owns their right to work in the country. If they leave the company, they get kicked out. So they have to work for less money.

2018-11-20 23:58:26 UTC  

should be able to vote on your tax allocations

2018-11-20 23:58:27 UTC  

How did they get to the point of vast enough wealth to influence one of the most powerful nations in the world in the first place, of not by slitting throats?

2018-11-20 23:58:28 UTC  

Hahahah this is hilarious. https://youtu.be/pZk6ia1vFAc

2018-11-20 23:59:15 UTC  

I didn’t slit any throats 😉

2018-11-20 23:59:24 UTC  

And you're not rich

2018-11-20 23:59:37 UTC  

Corporations will generally do whatever maximizes their profits and minimizes expenses, even if that is harmful to the public. I would not trust big business to be totally deregulated.

2018-11-20 23:59:48 UTC  

^

2018-11-20 23:59:57 UTC  

They also build that capital using the power of the state

2018-11-21 00:00:06 UTC  

Which is why they should be forced to give something back

2018-11-21 00:00:10 UTC  

That's why they hire illegals for $3/h to work the farms

2018-11-21 00:00:21 UTC  

Lobbying has stupid high ROI

2018-11-21 00:00:52 UTC  

How much should they “give back?” What did they “take” to begin with?

2018-11-21 00:01:19 UTC  

My company pays millions in taxes every year as it is.

2018-11-21 00:01:36 UTC  

We hav a 500k bill coming up in December just because of the inventory we have on shelf.

2018-11-21 00:02:20 UTC  

You're subsidizing larger businesses because they got to the top through shady means, and then used their influence to screw you

2018-11-21 00:02:34 UTC  

I think I’m subsidizing browns mostly.

2018-11-21 00:02:39 UTC  

That too

2018-11-21 00:02:55 UTC  

There's more than 1 problem in America

2018-11-21 00:03:08 UTC  

They use the power of the state to provide security to protect capital and to help them build distribution networks. They would have nothing without the state. They should give back whatever is necessary to ensure a good standard of living for the workers while still keeping the business productive.

2018-11-21 00:03:12 UTC  

Getting rid of browns doesn't solve everything

2018-11-21 00:03:25 UTC  

Employing people now is expensive. It costs me so much money to hire someone.

2018-11-21 00:03:28 UTC  

There's a reason Amazon exists in the US and not in Somalia. The state here is better.

2018-11-21 00:03:32 UTC  

Before we even discuss their salary.

2018-11-21 00:03:39 UTC  

All because of the regulatory climate.

2018-11-21 00:04:14 UTC  

Because you're competing with people who hire illegals, who lobbied the government for their ability to do so, to gain advantage over your business

2018-11-21 00:04:16 UTC  

I'm not a full commie who is gonna say that corporations commit theft or whatever. Plenty of businessmen are good guys.

2018-11-21 00:04:32 UTC  

I would rather take away their right to lobby than regulate myself even more.

2018-11-21 00:04:41 UTC  

Regulations on hiring illegals have hidden implications

2018-11-21 00:04:55 UTC  

We were sued once by the state because we accidentally hired one who had all the valid paperwork and passed a background check.

2018-11-21 00:05:16 UTC  

I agree — don;t hire them. But law has unintended consequences.

2018-11-21 00:05:20 UTC  

It’s not a magical wand.

2018-11-21 00:05:37 UTC  

And before I’m criticized for hiring a Mexican, the state requires we are diverse.

2018-11-21 00:05:45 UTC  

Or else we get sued....

2018-11-21 00:05:49 UTC  

They got that right first. And they got that right because they grew up in unfettered capitalism, and amassed so much wealth that they were able to BUY THE GOVERNMENT

2018-11-21 00:06:25 UTC  

@Virgil Exactly.

2018-11-21 00:06:26 UTC  

How can you purchase government pull in the economy if they have no power to exercise control over it to begin with?

2018-11-21 00:06:53 UTC  

Money is power

2018-11-21 00:07:07 UTC  

If you have enough money, you buy power

2018-11-21 00:07:08 UTC  

They do have power to exercise it unless we go full ancap

2018-11-21 00:07:09 UTC  

Interesting debate, of course. But please do understand that for every law, there is often an unintended consequence.