inb4 hickenlooper gets caught for diddling kids

That's what the vetting process is for

I'll wait and watch but I'm curious

And hell, if fracking and outsourcing, when each makes rational sense, makes one "conservative", then paint me guilty too.

And honestly my view of recreational marijuana being legal has evolved over time

Anyone over 40 has likely seen their views on that change

And not because of political machinations but simply because we know more now than we did back then

Same with why I give a pass on people accepting GLBT because, again, we know more now than we did back then.

If people can't accept changing views over time then you'd best investigate that "Changer in Chief" given Trump has evolved too

I'm still waiting to see if I'll be amused by the 2020 election lineup. It's possible we could have a Democrat running as a Republican and a Republican running as a Democrat. Trump vs Bloomberg.

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Oh, I'm fine with people changing their minds over time. It's more a matter of whether or not I trust the people saying their views have changed. But I'm leery of fracking because of its association with respiratory problems and such. And if outsourcing causes folks here to lose jobs, I'm not okay with that.

I think that's really the core thing - is the opinion change genuine or did it only happen for the candidacy?
Like if everyone decided the gays r bad n evil XD tomorrow, would Hillary still fight for their rights? Bet you money she wouldn't

Glbt?

I have never heard it phrased that way

Lol

It's always lgbt

Women first as it were

Funny, I was thinking of Hillary when I typed that. 😛

Her stance on the TPP, though.

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The 🥇 standard

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1067232729698324486

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Nice, next year im gonna have to do with 2% less income

again

Nice

How about we raise the tax rate on you <:Poopy:463432137375350784>

thats already been done

How about we tax the process of you paying tax?

#canada where the provinces tax that environment tax, then the federal government taxes those taxes and you have to pay the amalgamation of all 3.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-RPGhpBSI

"Make the Middle great again"

always ends in

"The Republican bends over his voters and watches the democrats fuck em"

I suspect I'll be paying taxes on my taxes due to the tax "cut". I already had to increase my withholding to account for the fact I won't get individual deductions for my kids this time around.

*shrug*

https://youtu.be/f5CmfWgMxlk

Interesting.

When obama did it, no one cares
When Trump do it, everyone loses their mind

That isn't even the worst example like that.

I forget the exact wording but I recall something along the lines of Then Senator Obama saying that Bush adding to the national debt was Treasonous or something along those lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q

its kind of a shame we plebs cant use previews in this chat

yeah, you just need to talk a bit with other people here and discuss stuff, getting to lvl 10 is quick

almost at lvl 8

well one of the ministers here declared that flying was too cheap and it needs to be made more expensive (through tax ofc) for the environment.

Im not even over exaggerating when i say that in terms of having a car and going on a vacation, were heading back towards a time where only the rich can afford such a thing.
A large chunk of people here already cant afford to go on a vacation right now

But its ok tho, its all for the environment

Where are the socialists when you need 'em, am I right? @tritrium

funny thing is

its the socialists that wanna lower at least 1 ridiculous tax

which one?

the one on diesel

Can't decide if this is the best or worst timeline

problem is

theres nobody talking about lowering taxes

except the socialists on 1 thing

but thats clearly opportunistic

either way

theyre all in favor of more taxes

and environment is an easy tool to use

regardless of the facts

i very much see it as nothing more then a political tool to have government in your pockets for the 2156415+465454th time

Islam>Centrism
https://youtu.be/Bt0iiiZBsyI

Savage me, centrists.

https://abc7.com/travel/oc-southwest-gate-agent-mocks-5-year-old-girls-name/4784236/

"Why are they laughing at my name?"
"Because some people are mean"
"No lady, it's because you named your kid literally ABCDE."

What kind of retard does that?

You ask a question, and yet the answer is right in front of you 🙃

*this person right here in the article is the exact retard subtype*

for additional examples see: Celebrities

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-expected-plead-guilty-lying-congress-collusion/story?id=59491450

Good God, poor kid. 🤦

She must have like hated her daughter

If you partents names you AsWhole, what you think ppl are going to think and do?

i wonder if they are the type of people to want their kid to name themselves

"what if your name"
"goo-goo-gah-gah"
*laughter*
"What is so funny! You people are mean."
"You are cruel lady for letting your kid be named that"

When my grandpa named my mother he was drunk, and even though he chose a Beautiful name for my mom.

better than being named after him moaning the wrong name during sex

"Who is she?"
"Uhhhh... our daughter i'm about to put into you"

Maybe the plan is for the kids to name themselves when they are older and can make thier own choice? Still weird, but maybe at least a reason that had the child's interests at heart?

@Grenade123 im gonna do that

From now on

Whenever i nut in my girl, imma yell out the name i want my daughter to have

Yeet

lmao

@DrYuriMom Even if I wanted to do that I would give my child a "placeholder name" that wouldn't be humiliating and get them laughed at

>not naming your boy Sue if you know you won't be around to toughen him up

https://twitter.com/huntedfellow/status/1068080143304929280

What the actual fuck Europe?

that has some time now

what scares me is that I'm not seeing anyone from Europe talking about it

RIP Europe

What could save it now?

What have saved it before?

War

I hope to secure permanent residency out of it before it breaks

yeah

brexit was enough of a rebellious action and with how hard theyre essentially trying to reverse it

something will snap, eventually

lets just hope it doesnt snap so hard that the pendulum swings in the polar opposite direction to legit fascism

you mean

to the polar opposite of ABSOLUTE FREEDOM

AHAHAHHA

remember the EU is a DEMOCRATIC INSITUTION who only want to PROTECT EUROPEAN RIGHTS

<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6JamVI3cfQ>

Ben Sharpei

Apparently ABCDE is a not unheard of girls name in Hawaii and Latinos in New Mexico. Who knew?

Today's piece of useless knowledge

odd

Yeah

Pronounced "Abseedee"

abs-city if they end up a transmale

lol

***the j e w s***

No it's the irish. Just think about it, they're sneaky and always obsessed over their pots of gold @Pendell

XD

wtf, why more furry shit

porco dio

does that mean "fuck daddy"?

when can america absorb europe and gain 50 more states

We've made enough bad decisions, tyvm

Why haven't we just gone ahead and claimed Luna yet? Who's going to stop us?

I don't see anyone else's flag up there

build a resort on the moon

As long as it has a skate park.

cosmic bowling

https://youtu.be/9zL5ysrtve8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAl2onqFLMs lol, Arabia/China/Russia won't even have to conquer EU... they will just migrate here 😟

Europe is beyond saving through political means.

yeah that really is a stupid concept

anyone should have the ability to migrate but that doesn't mean everyone can migrate

>implying Russians will ever leave

http://savejames.com/

You guys in the EU need to leave, country and all, as soon as possible.

I may be stating the obvious but whatever

Leave regulatory body, keep trade

@H E C K you mean leave the EU? or migrate to other countries?

I don't think any countries are going to get out. The UK has gone as far as it can.

It'll be pulled back in.

If you are a EU citizen you need to emigrate. Start the process now.

that's what I did

Eventually they won't let you leave.

because specially my country, they would never leave

wasting energy into politics to make it happen would be a waste of time

@.B a mix of both, really. I know you say it would be a waste of time, but it may be one of the few ways to reduce their influence and power

maybe for other people. In my country everyone is a socialist

for someone that is a conservative, the fight is a waste of time

they will ruin your life and you won't get anything done

the population also doesn't want anything you advocate for

Traditionally, socialists should be against the EU. They're a capitalist organization controlled by the elite, which should be everything the socialists hate. Just frame the EU this way when debating with them

Hell, I'm on the left myself and I don't like the EU

At least not in its current state

are you European?

the EU is in no way "capitalist"

most companies in my home country survive from EU money or government money

they don't even tackle the market

high taxes and regulations also means you can't compete with the big players

High taxes, regulations and social programs don't constitute socialism. That's just social democracy, which is what we have here in Canada. Private businesses are still allowed to operate independently from the government and wealth isn't redistributed

"allowed to operate independently" kinda

"wealth isn't redistributed" arguable

Canadian system is shite tbh. Small business gets fucked daily

@Beemann agreed. Our liberal and conservative parties seem to value large corporations more, one of the few things they have in common

Our social welfare systems are going to fall apart soon too tbh

Government asks more and outputs less every year

@.B It isn't redistributed to the degree that everyone has an equal amount of wealth (except the individual(s) at the top of the system)

no shit

There are higher taxes for wealthier people but that's the case in most countries

nah, if you have kids you don't have to work a day in your life

Wot

yep, that's a thing

Not in Canada lol

we were talking about Europe

not Canada

Those are nation dependent, not EU dependent

If your country is going gulag mode that's not on the EU necessarily

are you out-of-date on this?

EU is forcing welfare

while the conditions are still per-country

welfare is a real thing being pushed by the EU

Link

https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?langId=en&catId=750

https://www.politico.eu/article/welfare-discourages-work-labor-market-employment-social-rights/

The first link is EU specific, the second is just an example

the new UN bill (being pushed my mostly Europeans) also forces every country that signs it to give free education and health care to illegal migrants

The first one is recommendations. The second is pre-existing

feel free to argue the difference between _being pushed_ and _recommendations_

The former suggests a penalty or lost incentive if you reject the desired behavior. The latter is simply optional with no injunction except negative peer pressure.

nah.. being pushed means incentive for doing so

And no one is forced unless they ratify that expectation as a treaty.

the EU pays money to member states depending on the end to where it goes

Like I said. You lose an incentive if you reject the behavior.

That constitutes being pushed.

For example, in the US is isn't actually illegal for states to permit 14 year olds to drink alcoholic.

they give you money to do what they want you to do. Call it whatever you prefer

But if states don't make it illrgal for those under 21 to drink alcohol they lose all federal highway dollars.

The main payers can't be pushed anyway, since they're the ones paying in. The countries listed in the article already had the policies you describd

You are talking like the EU is the Federal government 😏

They're trying to be

I'm just using a US example

that's exactly the problem here

To show that I get it

Sure

the EU was made to be a common market, nothing else

no one voted them to be anything else

But the money would only be going to gibs, so not getting gibs money for gibs you don't have is ???

And then France UK Germany still wouldn't be "pushed" by that system since they front the incentive

The 10th Amendment limits federal power but the federal government uses the power to tax and run a deficit, the latter of which is denied the states, to guide state behavior even if there is no enumerated power.

France and Germany own the EU

they are the ones making the rules

They're the ones paying the bills

Including the payments made without explicit welfare conditions

they aren't "paying the bills" they are paying for control

Then leave the EU

Social security and health care are two other places the US feds guide the states mostly through the power to tax and run a deficit.

Education is another, although the post civil war amendments also underpin those authorities.

@Beemann you might want to go up and re-read how this conversation started

that was what we started the conversation with

The issue was whether or not it's socialist. EU still depends on that sweet sweet market money

As evidenced by the lack of starvation in the union

the evidence is the lack of growth

starvation is the lategame

There's still plenty of market in the EU, or rather Germany, but it seems you all think it's the same thing. :p

Seriously, Germany is a market powerhouse and its GDP shows it.

this is the problem I have when discussing anything about the EU with non-europeans

the EU isn't Germany

most of the member countries are being turned into shit by what they are being forced to do over EU rules

if you want to talk about positives, look at those countries first. Don't look into UK, France and Germany

Greece was forced to do things that would actually allow them to remain financially viable on any level

I can verify that EU have moved away from an organization where countries were equals, to an elitist organization, where the representatives of the large countries decides everything. E.g the eu parliament, where the eleven smallest countries together have fewer votes than germany alone.
Countries like Finland, Ireland and all those smaller.

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The unholy alliance of France-Germany and their puppets call the shots.

Imagine american politics without the senate, but only house of representatives.

It strikes me that Germany is trying to save the rest of Europe from themselves. Maybe not healthy, but Germany does have stuff worth sharing.

On this particular point I will disagree with you

That they have something worth sharing? Thier market tendencies?

Or that it's not healthy?

It may be that they do intend to do so, but it's not what they're actually doing

Intent is a strange thing

I agree insofar that internal EU open market for physical goods is a good thing, but I disagree that all political and social “solutions” should be german

I didn't say that they should

I'm just saying Germany seems to act as such and from a Yankee perspective Germany seems to have the most healthy market in the EU.

I'm open to being shown wrong

We Yanks can't see past the Gulf Stream after all. I always love hearing from actual Europeeps.

I am with 4AM critter in fact I would say most social solutions shouldn't be German, but rather tailored to the area in which the problem arises.

Six other countries have a better than germany ratio of GDP p population
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita>

Never been to Germany, but with the social programs they have been pushing, I doubt that is sustainable in the long-term

2 of those are also tax havens

And Iceland only still exists because their government was bailed out
To be fair