Message from @.B

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2018-11-30 16:54:19 UTC  

At least not in its current state

2018-11-30 17:00:02 UTC  

are you European?

2018-11-30 17:00:18 UTC  

the EU is in no way "capitalist"

2018-11-30 17:00:54 UTC  

most companies in my home country survive from EU money or government money

2018-11-30 17:01:02 UTC  

they don't even tackle the market

2018-11-30 17:01:33 UTC  

high taxes and regulations also means you can't compete with the big players

2018-11-30 17:19:00 UTC  

High taxes, regulations and social programs don't constitute socialism. That's just social democracy, which is what we have here in Canada. Private businesses are still allowed to operate independently from the government and wealth isn't redistributed

2018-11-30 17:22:48 UTC  

"allowed to operate independently" kinda

2018-11-30 17:22:58 UTC  

"wealth isn't redistributed" arguable

2018-11-30 17:48:07 UTC  

Canadian system is shite tbh. Small business gets fucked daily

2018-11-30 17:52:43 UTC  

@Beemann agreed. Our liberal and conservative parties seem to value large corporations more, one of the few things they have in common

2018-11-30 17:53:20 UTC  

Our social welfare systems are going to fall apart soon too tbh

2018-11-30 17:53:39 UTC  

Government asks more and outputs less every year

2018-11-30 17:53:51 UTC  

@.B It isn't redistributed to the degree that everyone has an equal amount of wealth (except the individual(s) at the top of the system)

2018-11-30 17:54:11 UTC  

no shit

2018-11-30 17:54:13 UTC  

There are higher taxes for wealthier people but that's the case in most countries

2018-11-30 17:54:41 UTC  

nah, if you have kids you don't have to work a day in your life

2018-11-30 17:55:03 UTC  

Wot

2018-11-30 17:55:17 UTC  

yep, that's a thing

2018-11-30 17:55:30 UTC  

Not in Canada lol

2018-11-30 17:55:40 UTC  

we were talking about Europe

2018-11-30 17:55:42 UTC  

not Canada

2018-11-30 17:56:37 UTC  

Those are nation dependent, not EU dependent

2018-11-30 17:57:08 UTC  

If your country is going gulag mode that's not on the EU necessarily

2018-11-30 17:58:17 UTC  

are you out-of-date on this?

2018-11-30 17:58:27 UTC  

EU is forcing welfare

2018-11-30 17:58:47 UTC  

while the conditions are still per-country

2018-11-30 17:58:59 UTC  

welfare is a real thing being pushed by the EU

2018-11-30 17:59:06 UTC  

Link

2018-11-30 18:01:17 UTC  

The first link is EU specific, the second is just an example

2018-11-30 18:02:35 UTC  

the new UN bill (being pushed my mostly Europeans) also forces every country that signs it to give free education and health care to illegal migrants

2018-11-30 18:03:39 UTC  

The first one is recommendations. The second is pre-existing

2018-11-30 18:13:28 UTC  

feel free to argue the difference between _being pushed_ and _recommendations_

2018-11-30 18:17:36 UTC  

The former suggests a penalty or lost incentive if you reject the desired behavior. The latter is simply optional with no injunction except negative peer pressure.

2018-11-30 18:18:20 UTC  

nah.. being pushed means incentive for doing so

2018-11-30 18:18:20 UTC  

And no one is forced unless they ratify that expectation as a treaty.

2018-11-30 18:18:43 UTC  

the EU pays money to member states depending on the end to where it goes

2018-11-30 18:18:49 UTC  

Like I said. You lose an incentive if you reject the behavior.

2018-11-30 18:19:09 UTC  

That constitutes being pushed.