Message from @Beemann
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because specially my country, they would never leave
wasting energy into politics to make it happen would be a waste of time
@.B a mix of both, really. I know you say it would be a waste of time, but it may be one of the few ways to reduce their influence and power
maybe for other people. In my country everyone is a socialist
for someone that is a conservative, the fight is a waste of time
they will ruin your life and you won't get anything done
the population also doesn't want anything you advocate for
Traditionally, socialists should be against the EU. They're a capitalist organization controlled by the elite, which should be everything the socialists hate. Just frame the EU this way when debating with them
Hell, I'm on the left myself and I don't like the EU
At least not in its current state
are you European?
the EU is in no way "capitalist"
most companies in my home country survive from EU money or government money
they don't even tackle the market
high taxes and regulations also means you can't compete with the big players
High taxes, regulations and social programs don't constitute socialism. That's just social democracy, which is what we have here in Canada. Private businesses are still allowed to operate independently from the government and wealth isn't redistributed
"allowed to operate independently" kinda
"wealth isn't redistributed" arguable
Canadian system is shite tbh. Small business gets fucked daily
@Beemann agreed. Our liberal and conservative parties seem to value large corporations more, one of the few things they have in common
Government asks more and outputs less every year
@.B It isn't redistributed to the degree that everyone has an equal amount of wealth (except the individual(s) at the top of the system)
no shit
There are higher taxes for wealthier people but that's the case in most countries
nah, if you have kids you don't have to work a day in your life
Wot
yep, that's a thing
Not in Canada lol
we were talking about Europe
not Canada
Those are nation dependent, not EU dependent
If your country is going gulag mode that's not on the EU necessarily
are you out-of-date on this?
EU is forcing welfare
while the conditions are still per-country
welfare is a real thing being pushed by the EU
Link
The first link is EU specific, the second is just an example