To show that I get it

Sure

the EU was made to be a common market, nothing else

no one voted them to be anything else

But the money would only be going to gibs, so not getting gibs money for gibs you don't have is ???

And then France UK Germany still wouldn't be "pushed" by that system since they front the incentive

The 10th Amendment limits federal power but the federal government uses the power to tax and run a deficit, the latter of which is denied the states, to guide state behavior even if there is no enumerated power.

France and Germany own the EU

they are the ones making the rules

They're the ones paying the bills

Including the payments made without explicit welfare conditions

they aren't "paying the bills" they are paying for control

Then leave the EU

Social security and health care are two other places the US feds guide the states mostly through the power to tax and run a deficit.

Education is another, although the post civil war amendments also underpin those authorities.

@Beemann you might want to go up and re-read how this conversation started

that was what we started the conversation with

The issue was whether or not it's socialist. EU still depends on that sweet sweet market money

As evidenced by the lack of starvation in the union

the evidence is the lack of growth

starvation is the lategame

There's still plenty of market in the EU, or rather Germany, but it seems you all think it's the same thing. :p

Seriously, Germany is a market powerhouse and its GDP shows it.

this is the problem I have when discussing anything about the EU with non-europeans

the EU isn't Germany

most of the member countries are being turned into shit by what they are being forced to do over EU rules

if you want to talk about positives, look at those countries first. Don't look into UK, France and Germany

Greece was forced to do things that would actually allow them to remain financially viable on any level

I can verify that EU have moved away from an organization where countries were equals, to an elitist organization, where the representatives of the large countries decides everything. E.g the eu parliament, where the eleven smallest countries together have fewer votes than germany alone.
Countries like Finland, Ireland and all those smaller.

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The unholy alliance of France-Germany and their puppets call the shots.

Imagine american politics without the senate, but only house of representatives.

It strikes me that Germany is trying to save the rest of Europe from themselves. Maybe not healthy, but Germany does have stuff worth sharing.

On this particular point I will disagree with you

That they have something worth sharing? Thier market tendencies?

Or that it's not healthy?

It may be that they do intend to do so, but it's not what they're actually doing

Intent is a strange thing

I agree insofar that internal EU open market for physical goods is a good thing, but I disagree that all political and social “solutions” should be german

I didn't say that they should

I'm just saying Germany seems to act as such and from a Yankee perspective Germany seems to have the most healthy market in the EU.