Message from @.B
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You are talking like the EU is the Federal government 😏
They're trying to be
I'm just using a US example
that's exactly the problem here
To show that I get it
Sure
the EU was made to be a common market, nothing else
no one voted them to be anything else
But the money would only be going to gibs, so not getting gibs money for gibs you don't have is ???
And then France UK Germany still wouldn't be "pushed" by that system since they front the incentive
The 10th Amendment limits federal power but the federal government uses the power to tax and run a deficit, the latter of which is denied the states, to guide state behavior even if there is no enumerated power.
France and Germany own the EU
they are the ones making the rules
They're the ones paying the bills
Including the payments made without explicit welfare conditions
they aren't "paying the bills" they are paying for control
Then leave the EU
Social security and health care are two other places the US feds guide the states mostly through the power to tax and run a deficit.
Education is another, although the post civil war amendments also underpin those authorities.
@Beemann you might want to go up and re-read how this conversation started
The issue was whether or not it's socialist. EU still depends on that sweet sweet market money
As evidenced by the lack of starvation in the union
the evidence is the lack of growth
starvation is the lategame
There's still plenty of market in the EU, or rather Germany, but it seems you all think it's the same thing. :p
Seriously, Germany is a market powerhouse and its GDP shows it.
this is the problem I have when discussing anything about the EU with non-europeans
the EU isn't Germany
most of the member countries are being turned into shit by what they are being forced to do over EU rules
if you want to talk about positives, look at those countries first. Don't look into UK, France and Germany
Greece was forced to do things that would actually allow them to remain financially viable on any level
I can verify that EU have moved away from an organization where countries were equals, to an elitist organization, where the representatives of the large countries decides everything. E.g the eu parliament, where the eleven smallest countries together have fewer votes than germany alone.
Countries like Finland, Ireland and all those smaller.
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The unholy alliance of France-Germany and their puppets call the shots.
Imagine american politics without the senate, but only house of representatives.
It strikes me that Germany is trying to save the rest of Europe from themselves. Maybe not healthy, but Germany does have stuff worth sharing.
On this particular point I will disagree with you
That they have something worth sharing? Thier market tendencies?
Or that it's not healthy?
It may be that they do intend to do so, but it's not what they're actually doing