Then leave the EU

Social security and health care are two other places the US feds guide the states mostly through the power to tax and run a deficit.

Education is another, although the post civil war amendments also underpin those authorities.

@Beemann you might want to go up and re-read how this conversation started

that was what we started the conversation with

The issue was whether or not it's socialist. EU still depends on that sweet sweet market money

As evidenced by the lack of starvation in the union

the evidence is the lack of growth

starvation is the lategame

There's still plenty of market in the EU, or rather Germany, but it seems you all think it's the same thing. :p

Seriously, Germany is a market powerhouse and its GDP shows it.

this is the problem I have when discussing anything about the EU with non-europeans

the EU isn't Germany

most of the member countries are being turned into shit by what they are being forced to do over EU rules

if you want to talk about positives, look at those countries first. Don't look into UK, France and Germany

Greece was forced to do things that would actually allow them to remain financially viable on any level

I can verify that EU have moved away from an organization where countries were equals, to an elitist organization, where the representatives of the large countries decides everything. E.g the eu parliament, where the eleven smallest countries together have fewer votes than germany alone.
Countries like Finland, Ireland and all those smaller.

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The unholy alliance of France-Germany and their puppets call the shots.

Imagine american politics without the senate, but only house of representatives.

It strikes me that Germany is trying to save the rest of Europe from themselves. Maybe not healthy, but Germany does have stuff worth sharing.

On this particular point I will disagree with you

That they have something worth sharing? Thier market tendencies?

Or that it's not healthy?

It may be that they do intend to do so, but it's not what they're actually doing

Intent is a strange thing

I agree insofar that internal EU open market for physical goods is a good thing, but I disagree that all political and social “solutions” should be german

I didn't say that they should

I'm just saying Germany seems to act as such and from a Yankee perspective Germany seems to have the most healthy market in the EU.

I'm open to being shown wrong

We Yanks can't see past the Gulf Stream after all. I always love hearing from actual Europeeps.

I am with 4AM critter in fact I would say most social solutions shouldn't be German, but rather tailored to the area in which the problem arises.

Six other countries have a better than germany ratio of GDP p population
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Never been to Germany, but with the social programs they have been pushing, I doubt that is sustainable in the long-term

2 of those are also tax havens

And Iceland only still exists because their government was bailed out
To be fair

Don’t get me wrong, I like Germany, the country, the people, the language. I frequently travel there for work and pleasure.

I have delt with plenty of Germans but always outside of Germany.

The EU is taking the same corrupt arc as the US without the direct representation

the problem isn't the elitism imo

the problem is that the elites that are calling the shots are incompetent