Message from @DrYuriMom
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The first link is EU specific, the second is just an example
the new UN bill (being pushed my mostly Europeans) also forces every country that signs it to give free education and health care to illegal migrants
The first one is recommendations. The second is pre-existing
feel free to argue the difference between _being pushed_ and _recommendations_
The former suggests a penalty or lost incentive if you reject the desired behavior. The latter is simply optional with no injunction except negative peer pressure.
nah.. being pushed means incentive for doing so
And no one is forced unless they ratify that expectation as a treaty.
the EU pays money to member states depending on the end to where it goes
Like I said. You lose an incentive if you reject the behavior.
That constitutes being pushed.
For example, in the US is isn't actually illegal for states to permit 14 year olds to drink alcoholic.
they give you money to do what they want you to do. Call it whatever you prefer
But if states don't make it illrgal for those under 21 to drink alcohol they lose all federal highway dollars.
The main payers can't be pushed anyway, since they're the ones paying in. The countries listed in the article already had the policies you describd
You are talking like the EU is the Federal government 😏
They're trying to be
I'm just using a US example
that's exactly the problem here
Sure
the EU was made to be a common market, nothing else
no one voted them to be anything else
But the money would only be going to gibs, so not getting gibs money for gibs you don't have is ???
And then France UK Germany still wouldn't be "pushed" by that system since they front the incentive
The 10th Amendment limits federal power but the federal government uses the power to tax and run a deficit, the latter of which is denied the states, to guide state behavior even if there is no enumerated power.
France and Germany own the EU
they are the ones making the rules
They're the ones paying the bills
Including the payments made without explicit welfare conditions
they aren't "paying the bills" they are paying for control
Then leave the EU
Social security and health care are two other places the US feds guide the states mostly through the power to tax and run a deficit.
Education is another, although the post civil war amendments also underpin those authorities.
@Beemann you might want to go up and re-read how this conversation started
that was what we started the conversation with
The issue was whether or not it's socialist. EU still depends on that sweet sweet market money
As evidenced by the lack of starvation in the union
the evidence is the lack of growth
starvation is the lategame