which is socialism

And I have never heard of state control constituting socialism

I have

Many times

Even socialists admit this shit

you need the community for socialism

Look up comrade hakim

Any definition of socialism I have found has stated directly that it is the proletariat that must have control

^^^

not always no wahx

It can be state

yes *always*

“Proletariat “ is very fluid

dude its squares and rectangles

It’s always the proletariat in control until socialism fails

Then somehow it wasn’t

It is squares and triangles

? not making that point here

Hence why it’s state or worker control

explain that hence please haha

what is that if then logic

Whether or not socialism can work or would work is a different topic

yeah

A socialist economy is an economy where the MoP is controlled by the state it workers

we're just defining socialism I guess, not arguing for or against it

by the workers

maybe by the state, maybe not

If the state owns the MoP

It is a socialist economy

simple as that

It cannot be capitalist or communist

It has to be socialist

no that is a state run economy

He might be right actually

we have that definition for a reason

Which is socialist

I can't find this definition anywhere

I mean even people like comrade hakim say this stuff

And those guys are proper socialists

this goes back to my earlier point that people have used socialism in all kinds of settings

maybe we just have different definitions

and that's ok I guess

yeah but it doesn’t mean they’re right

For example

I just think that it makes more sense in describing this phenomena to describe "socialism" as needing to be socialized

Sweden etc are not socialist

no, they aren't

I agree

I don't know that there is a modern socialist economy

There is

I think Sid is right actually

Can we go to a pictureschat

I googled it lmao

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what'd you find @Obungus

It is defined as a state controlled economy

really, where?

or a collective owned MoP

Anywhere you wanna look for definitions

Ye

I found a couple websites that specify that it needs to be collective

Collective or state

I have found more that say both rather than a collective

interesting. That's convincing @Obungus

Communism would be just workers

It's hard to find what "real socialism" is

The state in socialism would try to remove the market forces and pave the way for communism

but whether or not that works is different

right, like I've said it's a very vague term at this point

true

Communism tho

I think even socialists agree that’s impossible

You’re never going to suppress a market

so communism is more a dictatorship of the workers then yea?

Well there is no state

In communism

I know, that wasn't my question

Stateless, moneyless, marketless

I

I mean how would you dictate without a state

by having the workers dictate lol, if everyone dictates the state is the people effectively

it spreads it out so thin it doesn't exist

I think we're saying the same thing

I mean thennir wouldn’t be communism

Since a state would exist

For a state to exist it must use power

but the workers are in control,

How would the workers dictate

Yeah but say a market forms

How would it stop that

I don't know, I'm not saying communism makes sense, I'm just clarifying that the workers are roughly in control to make it happen right?

that's the whole point, yeah?

not like they have a government to do that, but they can still be in control via negotiations and agreements

Well yeah in control of MoP

yeah

so whats the term for a collectively regulated economy

collective socialism? is there a more precise term than that?

Hi

OwO

Greetings

I am a nationalist

I am a national socialist

🤔

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=JDQ8MPJ0SP8

I am a social nationalist

I was talking to this DUDE about enlisting and he comes out with about how he’s trans and actually a female.

It was the closest thing I’ve ever came to a trap moment.

Nope not a female.

A male.

You should report him, too.

We don’t need mentally unstable people in the army.

Transgender people are not “mentally unstable”

Nah I was trying to recruit the freak.

How do you get the southern American tag?

Transgender people are mentally unstable

Hence why they are transgender

@Leo (BillNyeLand)

and the suicide rate speaks for themlseves

I would say it’s more bullying and not being accepted than mental instability

It’s hard not to be depressed when everyone calls you mentally unstable and diseased

Because you are unstable

You’re not normal and it’s a mental illness

Cutting your dick off and trying to be the opposite gender is not normal

Nobody like this should be in the Millitsry

Infact woman shouldn’t even be allowed

I kind of agree with you for the trans part but disagree about the woman part

Women should be allowed in the military, I just don't think they should be fighting in the infantry on the front lines

@chad I mean the grunts

infantry

that’s were woman shouldn’t be

That is how it effectively works in all the militaries of the world

Israel has mandatory service for both sexes but they don't put women in combat roles

and female infantrymen are very rare in the US army and the ones that do exist rarely ascend to direct action units

@Deleted User hey can I get the American tank pls I recruited someone but never got it. How would I go about getting it?

I am just a guy

Oh sry

Who would I contact for that?

a mod gave me vanity tags once after I delivered a profound monologue on the virtues of traditional America or something

I would not worry too much about having a pretty color for your name

Oh ok

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1082755245560745984

This game is fun, you have to win the white house and pick your political party.

https://www.icivics.org/games/win-white-house

Looks fun

I on purposely made my character as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and lost horribly.

I even lost California and Hawaii.

How lol

Did you say rape should be legal?

No I just did no fundraising.

I said government buildings should be made out of glass.

Water guns at pool parties are stupid.

I was pretty much an angry person.

I also said every country should join the 'I Love America Fan Club'.

Safe to say the opponent Republican 'Peter Boyle' won with I think 479 electoral votes.

@Donaldus Triumphus

At 9 trump MIGHT declare state of emergency

There is a moderate chance

I think there are many alternatives to a wall but if needs to be done to protect the country then so be it.

Yeah

I hate going on YouTube videos and people comment saying 'Fuck Trump he is a racist!'

I'm still YET awaiting a racist comment.

Or a comment that's against African-Americans.

.t hyde

The game wasn’t as fun as I had hoped

There's better ones coming.

A game called I am Your President on Steam.

Releasing second half of 2019.

Did you win? @Leo (BillNyeLand)

@Jack H.

Yes?

People at my school says hes racist because he hates mexicans

And that he even deports legal immigrants

False.

I knwo.

know*

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/ae0p9u/proof_rbg_is_alive/

Nobody would even attempt to deport a legal immigrant because that wouldn't even be passed.

Yeah.

Also a legal immigrant is less likley to murder than an illegal one

The education system in the US is messed up as the teachers exploit their political opinions onto students.

Yeah

Heck, my last school taught about how women are paid less than men XD.

If women got paid less than why not JUST hire women.

Companies only care about women

money*

Gender wage gap is false and should not be taught.

Yeah.

My leftist stepmother even says it's a myth.

The wage gap is as stupid as saying WW2 did not happen.

Yeah, it's simply because men work longer hours, they choose higher paying jobs and work in more dangerous fields that pay more.

Hi

Hi Hitler lovin' cracker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJPj3Xw1DO0

What Trump is saying right now literally fits the definition of propaganda

Although he is quite right on what he has said

Chuck Schumer and many other Democrats have indeed supported Border Security

The crimes he mentioned, all real

Yes, but he's making it look like the country is in crisis because of it.

Well it's definitely pretty bad, the Democrats are going full flip flop on this situation. It should be addressed now and should be carried out now as he promised

It's not as bad he makes is appear

Obviously

well i mean an illegal immigrant just killed a police officer in cali

prop·a·gan·da
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noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Yep

Fits the definition

I don't think it fits the definition of propaganda. It fits both the left and right's view of what needs to be done at the border. Well maybe not the view's far left npcs after he got elected but I don't think it really counts as a legitimate political view if all of the members of the group change it every few years for no real reason.

Democrats want border security, but they think our security is good enough

Our security is garbage

Have you seen the current border?

Our country not be in a hellhole crisis, but it's very shit and bad enough to demand for action

If our security is garbage, why has the rate of illegals coming in decreased?

Anyway, my point is that they aren't really flip-flopping

I think you saying it is decreasing is misleading, yes it has decreased but not enough to consider it not a problem

I want more amounts, significant decrease drops

They are flip flopping, Democrats use to be pro border control

They were in favor of a wall, what the hell happened?

Many democrats still are, but they think a wall is too much

Well a barrier

A wall isn't too much, it just stops the illegals, he isn't going to destroy the existing legal points of entry

Don't forget a wall doesn't say "you're not allowed in". A wall says "please use the entrance"

I'm saying the viewpoint of democrats, not why we should or shouldn't build a wall

Perhaps old Democrats, although I don't believe so

I think the Democratic Party is quite split between liberals and leftists

Liberals I think are pro border security, the leftists don't give a shit

Whether I can tell which one is speaking, I have no clue. They are both apart of the same party

Not as much as you think, leftists want open borders, I don't think open borders has been taken seriously in American politics

Democratic Senators only speak to entice their voters, that must explain a flip flop in policies

The leftist agenda has progressed more over the Democratic party

At least in its recent years, that would give quite a good explanation

Leftists are also socialists, I only know very few democrats who are like this

I can most definitely see why leftists would want to use the Democratic party as a platform

Gives them more credibility, more of a say

They do that because democrats are closer to their ideology

It's similar to the far-right voting republican

Difference is leftists are taking over the Democratic party, far right isn't

"Taking over"

Show me where

I got a book if you are willing to purchase it kek

Although I look at a lot of the major left wing rallies and protests, they don't seem like the liberal intelligent people you like to claim there is plentiful of. I look at the Hillary rallies, the protests of the border, protests of Trumps inauguration, the election riots, the Women's March

Perhaps I'm not looking in the right areas, but all I see are leftists representing the DNCs voice

Liberals are also opposed to trump

The inaguration riots and election riots doesn't mean it's leftists

Also, Hillary is further right than most democrats overall

Well I've seen the signs and the interviews with the people, they don't look quite like the people who would be supporting traditional liberal values

A few select interviews doesn't mean much

Its not a select interview

You know who Owen Schroyer is?

No

He goes into the lead crowds of protests and leftist riots and challenges everyone there about what they are truly protesting about

He's got the nickname of the cuckslayer kek