I agree

I don't know that there is a modern socialist economy

There is

I think Sid is right actually

Can we go to a pictureschat

I googled it lmao

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what'd you find @Obungus

It is defined as a state controlled economy

really, where?

or a collective owned MoP

Anywhere you wanna look for definitions

Ye

I found a couple websites that specify that it needs to be collective

Collective or state

I have found more that say both rather than a collective

interesting. That's convincing @Obungus

Communism would be just workers

It's hard to find what "real socialism" is

The state in socialism would try to remove the market forces and pave the way for communism

but whether or not that works is different

right, like I've said it's a very vague term at this point

true

Communism tho

I think even socialists agree that’s impossible

You’re never going to suppress a market

so communism is more a dictatorship of the workers then yea?

Well there is no state

In communism

I know, that wasn't my question

Stateless, moneyless, marketless

I

I mean how would you dictate without a state

by having the workers dictate lol, if everyone dictates the state is the people effectively

it spreads it out so thin it doesn't exist

I think we're saying the same thing

I mean thennir wouldn’t be communism

Since a state would exist

For a state to exist it must use power

but the workers are in control,

How would the workers dictate