Message from @Obungus
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And I have never heard of state control constituting socialism
I have
Many times
Even socialists admit this shit
you need the community for socialism
Look up comrade hakim
Any definition of socialism I have found has stated directly that it is the proletariat that must have control
^^^
not always no wahx
It can be state
yes *always*
“Proletariat “ is very fluid
dude its squares and rectangles
It’s always the proletariat in control until socialism fails
Then somehow it wasn’t
It is squares and triangles
? not making that point here
Hence why it’s state or worker control
explain that hence please haha
what is that if then logic
yeah
A socialist economy is an economy where the MoP is controlled by the state it workers
we're just defining socialism I guess, not arguing for or against it
by the workers
maybe by the state, maybe not
If the state owns the MoP
It is a socialist economy
simple as that
It cannot be capitalist or communist
It has to be socialist
no that is a state run economy
He might be right actually
we have that definition for a reason
Which is socialist
I can't find this definition anywhere
I mean even people like comrade hakim say this stuff
And those guys are proper socialists
this goes back to my earlier point that people have used socialism in all kinds of settings
maybe we just have different definitions
and that's ok I guess