Nazi Germany wasn’t planned

it was a cronyist economy

so there’s that

I'd say in any case that *planned* economies have always been socialist in practice

yes and they are always socialist

cronyism doesn't refer to whether it was planned or controlled or anything, it refers to whether friends get jobs in the government

but controlled economies could exist in a fascist sense

Or a form of socialism

I meant crony capitalist

Which isn’t capitalism for starters but

@Obungus Depends what type of fascism

And fascism is not an economic policy as much as socialism

I know that

Fascism can have a more freer crony capitalist economy, or can have a less freer crony capitalist economy

Or it can be a socialist economy

But you could very easily have the state mandate what companies do without the state owning the companies

Yes

Planned economy

which is socialism

And I have never heard of state control constituting socialism

I have

Many times

Even socialists admit this shit

you need the community for socialism

Look up comrade hakim

Any definition of socialism I have found has stated directly that it is the proletariat that must have control

^^^

not always no wahx

It can be state

yes *always*

“Proletariat “ is very fluid

dude its squares and rectangles

It’s always the proletariat in control until socialism fails

Then somehow it wasn’t

It is squares and triangles

? not making that point here

Hence why it’s state or worker control

explain that hence please haha

what is that if then logic

Whether or not socialism can work or would work is a different topic

yeah