Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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It can be state
yes *always*
“Proletariat “ is very fluid
dude its squares and rectangles
It’s always the proletariat in control until socialism fails
Then somehow it wasn’t
It is squares and triangles
? not making that point here
Hence why it’s state or worker control
explain that hence please haha
what is that if then logic
Whether or not socialism can work or would work is a different topic
yeah
A socialist economy is an economy where the MoP is controlled by the state it workers
we're just defining socialism I guess, not arguing for or against it
by the workers
maybe by the state, maybe not
If the state owns the MoP
It is a socialist economy
simple as that
It has to be socialist
no that is a state run economy
He might be right actually
we have that definition for a reason
Which is socialist
I can't find this definition anywhere
I mean even people like comrade hakim say this stuff
And those guys are proper socialists
this goes back to my earlier point that people have used socialism in all kinds of settings
maybe we just have different definitions
and that's ok I guess
yeah but it doesn’t mean they’re right
For example
I just think that it makes more sense in describing this phenomena to describe "socialism" as needing to be socialized
Sweden etc are not socialist
no, they aren't
I agree
I don't know that there is a modern socialist economy
There is
I think Sid is right actually