Message from @wahx
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maybe we just have different definitions
and that's ok I guess
yeah but it doesn’t mean they’re right
For example
I just think that it makes more sense in describing this phenomena to describe "socialism" as needing to be socialized
Sweden etc are not socialist
no, they aren't
I agree
I don't know that there is a modern socialist economy
There is
I think Sid is right actually
Can we go to a pictureschat
I googled it lmao
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It is defined as a state controlled economy
really, where?
or a collective owned MoP
Anywhere you wanna look for definitions
Ye
Collective or state
I have found more that say both rather than a collective
Communism would be just workers
It's hard to find what "real socialism" is
The state in socialism would try to remove the market forces and pave the way for communism
but whether or not that works is different
right, like I've said it's a very vague term at this point
true
Communism tho
I think even socialists agree that’s impossible
You’re never going to suppress a market
so communism is more a dictatorship of the workers then yea?
Well there is no state
In communism
I know, that wasn't my question
Stateless, moneyless, marketless
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I mean how would you dictate without a state
by having the workers dictate lol, if everyone dictates the state is the people effectively