It’s always the proletariat in control until socialism fails

Then somehow it wasn’t

It is squares and triangles

? not making that point here

Hence why it’s state or worker control

explain that hence please haha

what is that if then logic

Whether or not socialism can work or would work is a different topic

yeah

A socialist economy is an economy where the MoP is controlled by the state it workers

we're just defining socialism I guess, not arguing for or against it

by the workers

maybe by the state, maybe not

If the state owns the MoP

It is a socialist economy

simple as that

It cannot be capitalist or communist

It has to be socialist

no that is a state run economy

He might be right actually

we have that definition for a reason

Which is socialist

I can't find this definition anywhere

I mean even people like comrade hakim say this stuff

And those guys are proper socialists

this goes back to my earlier point that people have used socialism in all kinds of settings

maybe we just have different definitions

and that's ok I guess

yeah but it doesn’t mean they’re right

For example

I just think that it makes more sense in describing this phenomena to describe "socialism" as needing to be socialized

Sweden etc are not socialist

no, they aren't

I agree

I don't know that there is a modern socialist economy

There is

I think Sid is right actually

Can we go to a pictureschat

I googled it lmao

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what'd you find @Obungus