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Lebens 2017-07-23 00:39:35

Welcome to the electrical channel. To start this off i did a service change yesterday for a semi flush 100A panel. The panel was a zynsco (notorious fire hazards) for an eaton. The exterior was stucco and the interior is wood studs.

Lebens 2017-07-23 00:40:22

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Lebens 2017-07-23 00:42:10

The autists will notice labels. Those are to signify opposite phasing

Deleted User 2017-07-23 00:42:53

As someone whose limits are installing ceiling fans this is terrifying

Lebens 2017-07-23 00:43:12

this is my newest apprentice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/338481139276709898/20170721_135737.jpg

Lebens 2017-07-23 00:43:48

@Deleted User you get used to it. I did this live. The transmission lines were not turned off.

Lebens 2017-07-23 00:44:37

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Lebens 2017-07-23 00:46:13

Come Monday i will be changing the condenser (outdoor) and the evaporate coil (inside attic). I guess ill be sharing that in here or another channel

Lebens 2017-07-23 00:47:47

If anyone has any questions about electrical or HVAC im here to help.

Deleted User 2017-07-23 21:02:44

Hello i'm a 30+ yr master electrician and general do it yourselfer. Happy to help you guys out anytime

Lebens 2017-07-24 01:26:31

Nice

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Nova 2017-07-24 21:46:52

thanks man, this'll make it 10 times easier to see the good info

Lebens 2017-07-24 21:47:09

Roger that

Lebens 2017-07-24 21:47:29

In a few hours ill have new content

Deleted User 2017-07-24 23:18:02

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Deleted User 2017-07-24 23:20:37

I came home from work day before yesterday and found a house very hot even though the air conditioner was set to be running. Upon looking at the outside unit I found it humming but neither the compressor nor the circulating fan running. The humming of the motor indicated to me that it was trying to run but was having difficulty doing so. I killed the power and opened up the control side and checked the capacitor. I found it it was swollen and out of shape which is an indicator that it is bad. Sometimes they were rupture other times they will look fine although they are bad. If it is not physically altered you may have to take it to a air conditioning supply house to have it checked for you. The capacitor cost me approximately $18 and is quite simple to change out. And could save you quite a bit of money on a service call and mark up from an HVAC contractor

Deleted User 2017-07-24 23:20:51

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Deleted User 2017-07-24 23:21:32

This is a picture of the new capacitor installed if you will notice it isn't swollen

Deleted User 2017-07-24 23:22:25

The capacitor is a component that helps the motors to start and run efficiently

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Deleted User 2017-07-25 00:04:35

👌ty

Lebens 2017-07-25 00:05:58

I carry turbo capacitors. You may find the versatility helpful in the field @Deleted User

Lebens 2017-07-25 00:06:59

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339196799883411456/20170724_170640.jpg

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Lebens 2017-07-25 00:16:45

Gregs right an $18-$60 part installed averages $400-$450 installed out here

Lebens 2017-07-25 00:24:36

Well heres half the install of today. The customer asked if we could come back tomorrow so they could have family time

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339201353043804160/20170724_110416.jpg

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Deleted User 2017-07-25 00:37:42

Nice!

Deleted User 2017-07-25 00:37:54

What causes the capacitor to swell?

Lebens 2017-07-25 01:20:17

Age and demand. When a compressor sits for 9 months without use the oil in the refrigerant sludges to the bottom. Then you hope to turn the system on. The mechanical side tries to move, but the electrical side doesnt know that the mechanical side is struggling so it tries hard and dies

Deleted User 2017-07-25 02:23:45

Exactly. One thing you have to remember is electricity is a very powerful thing. Many times when a component fails there will be physical damage that you will be able to see on many of the components. Burns, discoloration, melting, etc.

Deleted User 2017-07-25 02:46:49

But the actual swelling. Pressure? Temp change?

Lebens 2017-07-25 03:51:21

@William Kenney – MD a capacitor stores static electric energy in a dialectric space... literally lighting in a bottle. When and electric motor is mechanically locked the electrical system will generate more, without ampacity monitors devices will literally overheat. See the by prodruct of electricity is heat. Our NEC is technically NFPA volume 70. The national electric code is written by the national fire protection agency

Lebens 2017-07-25 03:53:27

this is arc damage on a 100A main breaker.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339253794389098506/20170513_133729.jpg

Infineon 2017-07-25 04:59:29

Any low voltage questions, I know a bit. I started out as a low voltage tech in my current company.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:00:55

Still carry scissors and a punch tool? @Infineon

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:06:40

Always. Plus crimpers and a toner.

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:07:58

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339272546337816576/IMG_0082.JPG

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:08:03

Always a fun time.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:13:28

@Infineon dressing racks is so tedious. BTW have they made a toner that reads thru mag shields yet? I had a hospital contract years ago where a guy cut the labels off in the server room on cat6a with mag shields.... fml that was ridiculous to ID

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:15:30

Digital toners will. I use a pretty cheap toner from Fluke that will tone through anything. (Cheap by Fluke standards, at least)

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:15:33

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339274454817570817/unknown.png

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:16:11

That will read thru mag shields?

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:16:39

Yeah, I've even had it pick up through metal conduit and from behind 4 inches of concrete.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:16:48

Holy shit

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:16:54

I've yet to find a place that won't pick up a wire.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:17:05

Please shoot me the model info

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:17:57

I have the older model of this one.

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:18:31

Has RJ45 and RG6 barrel connectors

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:18:34

Well i know the toner im buying next time someone wants a needle in a server room haystack found

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:18:50

Will even test the line too.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:19:21

My toner is for mostly tracing underground 120v-480v

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:19:38

I'm not sure if it's on this model, but mine also has plugins for banana clips

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:19:55

Yeah, the highest I'll touch is 220

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:20:05

And even then, I'm not supposed to

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:20:08

But even then it can be difficult to trace underground work

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:20:33

Its funny that people freak about higher V

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:20:48

Voltage and current are inversely related

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:21:02

Meh. It all shocks the same. It's just not under our contractor's license.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:21:12

I hear that

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:21:59

Do you fusion splice also?

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:22:30

Not personally, no.

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:22:37

I can terminate fiber though.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:22:58

I feel like i wasted my time with fiber, certs but rarely get the work for it

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:23:13

Sc and st?

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:24:02

Yeah, fiber's exploding around here so it's actually pretty easy to find work as AT&T is pulling it to all the current businesses and ressies

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:24:27

And usually just SC

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:24:54

But I've done fiber patch panels that are in ST

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:26:37

When i was in the military i worked with a system that was fiber for engineering spaces on an aircraft carrier. Got out and barely touched glass

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:27:18

Ha. I didn't do any of this tech stuff in the service. I was combat arms

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:27:44

Nice

Infineon 2017-07-25 05:27:52

Got out and needed a job. Got picked up for an IT help desk and worked my way up from there. Eventually outsourced and got into low voltage from there.

Lebens 2017-07-25 05:28:42

Well anything you can learn that will let you eventually contract is good imho

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 18:55:07

Beginner question here: I'm currently working on rewiring the lighting in my basement; at present it's a mess of different fixtures, wiring, and breakers. My question is how many 100watt bulbs can I run off a 10amp breaker. Ideally I'd like 9 or 10 lights; should I upgrade to a 15amp, or will the 10amp handle that load?

Deleted User 2017-07-25 21:57:57

@Izat - VA#3390 take the total wattage of the bulbs and / 120 volt that will give you the amperage of that circuit. you really want to keep the load on the breaker at 80% so with a 100 watt light bulb you're looking at 8 bulbs. It goes the same with CFL bulbs or LED bulbs. You take the total wattage and / your voltage to get your amperage

Deleted User 2017-07-25 21:58:53

Your voltage in your residence should be 110 volt but for little pad you can use 120.

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:00:21

To go a little deeper if the wire is 14 gauge wire you can change that 10 amp breaker to a 15 amp breaker. If it is 12 gauge wire you can bump your breaker size to a 20 amp. A 10 amp breaker is not used these days. 15 20 30 at cetera are the applicable sizes according to code

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:07:13

I know the math does not work out exactly on that but that'll get you right in the ballpark

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:09:11

Awesome, so upgrading to a 15 amp breaker would be sufficient for 10 lights

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:14:14

Yes the wire needs to be at least 14 gauge before you can change the breaker safely. Once you have the 15 amp breaker in place as I said before simply count up the total wattage on your bulbs and / 120 and that will give you the amperage. on a 15 amp breaker you want to keep the amperage at 12 amps for your 80% rule

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:16:01

And 10 bulbs would give you about eight and a half amps so yes you would be fine on that

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:16:34

I'm pretty sure the wire is 12 gauge (not at the house rn), so I should be good

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:16:48

One more question - the basement's unfinished, so the joists are bare; is it code to drill holes thru each joist to run the line thru? I see a mix of that and stapling the wire to the underside of the joists. It would mean me drilling more holes, not enough space in the existing holes

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:17:20

If wire is number 12 you can put a 20 amp breaker in safely again keep it at the 80% rule which is 16 amps maximum load

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:17:59

(If you haven't picked up on it, I'm a complete novice; just bought my first house in April)

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:18:27

Gotcha

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:18:37

I'll go with 20 amps then

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:18:44

Code now tells us not to strap to the bottom of the floor joist. I guess that's in anticipation of finishing out an area further down the road. So if it were being inspected yes you would need to drill through the joist. The way you decide to do it is up to you it is an existing home with a mixture of both styles of wiring so it's kind of at a decision call on your part

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:19:32

Not sure that I'll end up finishing, but if its code it's worth the extra time to go ahead and do it

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:19:39

No problem that's what we're here for. You'll find a lot of this stuff is just common sense. You just need to exercise safety anytime you get into a live panel. If you're unsure of what you're doing you can always shut the main breaker off and use a flashlight or a headlight of some type to perform the work

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:20:45

^i did that twice already replacing all the outlets; I have a pretty healthy fear of getting zapped

Izat - VA 2017-07-25 22:21:06

Thanks again for your input, it's much appreciated 👌🏻

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:21:54

Yes I can be difficult because you have to kind of visualize how the circuit works a lot of times in order to work and safely. Anytime someone with limited experiences working on something they should be energized the circuit

Deleted User 2017-07-25 22:22:27

* de-energize

Lebens 2017-07-26 01:11:51

I concur with greg 100%

Lebens 2017-07-26 01:12:40

@Izat - VA keep an eye out for broken tabs on outlets. They may be switched

Lebens 2017-07-26 01:23:43

As a rule of thumb on a 120v circuit a 100w is around 1a

Lebens 2017-07-26 01:25:10

And dimmer switches can only handle usually around 600w. So if you plan on dimming that area you may need to divide the load across two dimming switches

Izat - VA 2017-07-26 03:11:34

Good to know, luckily no dimmers here but I may do some on the main level eventually

Deleted User 2017-07-26 21:34:07

Anyone ever make an alternator?

Deleted User 2017-07-26 21:34:51

That is, convert physical energy into electrical?

Deleted User 2017-07-26 21:48:22

It is not the easiest thing to do. You basically have a motor that is working backwards. You have to have quite a bit of copper windings inside the frame and you would have to spein it very quickly. If you had it attached to a bicycle or other of means it would not be so bad

Deleted User 2017-07-26 21:48:55

Electric lady would not be that difficult to build the difficult part is when you have to do the spinning!

Deleted User 2017-07-26 21:49:20

*electrically

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:02:20

Seen them on sail boats. Was also thinking sewing table pedal.

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:10:39

Yes you have to get the ratios in the windings right and then have a set RPM to keep the voltage at a set level. I'm sure there are simple units I'm talking more along the lines of a consistent voltage output of 110v or higher

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:11:52

Any way to do it without copper? Practically I mean.

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:15:34

The two components of a motor or generator do not actually touch. It works off what is called induction. Copper or gold would give the best results. Some type of metal has to be used other metals do not work as well

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:18:58

Yeah is it basically a spinning core inside of coils?

Lebens 2017-07-26 22:27:37

Rotor and stator

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:30:12

Yes sir and giving what you're trying to do using steel or something of that nature just wouldn't work for the induction

Lebens 2017-07-26 22:30:18

Keep in mind when building this that it will always take more energy to make energy than the energy produced. Heat and friction are energy losses

Deleted User 2017-07-26 22:30:37

^^^

Lebens 2017-07-26 22:31:18

This is the equation that prevents perpetual motion

Lebens 2017-07-26 23:10:27

Ugh im at a negro house giving an estimate

Lebens 2017-07-26 23:10:55

Literally a chimp out on tv..... and the smell....

Lebens 2017-07-26 23:11:17

slave art?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/339907561593503744/20170726_160716.jpg

Deleted User 2017-07-27 00:04:58

Hahaha

Deleted User 2017-07-31 13:36:07

@Lebens What is a "R&R commercial 225A single phase panel?"

Lebens 2017-07-31 17:16:04

Remove and replace a 225A single phase panel

Deleted User 2017-07-31 17:38:44

Ah ty

Deleted User 2017-08-01 02:07:28

@Lebens so you basically disconnected all the wires from the old panel, tracked them, and required them to the new panel?

Deleted User 2017-08-01 02:08:00

How long does that take?

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:08:38

Im on my 10th hour

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:08:53

Still not done

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:09:04

Tomorrow i have another one to do

Deleted User 2017-08-01 02:09:08

Holy feck

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:09:22

Wednesday im installing a lighting control system

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:09:49

2.5 days work and ill clear $6k

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:10:09

Contractor life

Deleted User 2017-08-01 02:11:02

That's awesome.

Deleted User 2017-08-01 02:22:48

@Lebens that panel/meter combo in that last picture is the second one of those I've seen you post. It's similar to what I would call a meter bank for a multi dwelling bldg. Is that something that is common for your area. Is that what the utility requires? I'm in Louisville and all of the services that we install have a meter Base outside and then a panel beneath it or just inside the wall from it. I was just wondering if that is something that you personally prefer or is that something that is common to your neck of the woods

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:36:42

@Deleted User east coast vs west coast. Out here we use all in one enclosures, i hate it. You guys have the better version

Lebens 2017-08-01 02:39:29

@Deleted User this building wanted a way to work on the panel without shutting down the substation also. With the meter socket they can monitor usage and have a means of disconnect for swapping main breaker

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-07 18:38:14

I was getting ready to run an outlet off this existing outlet. First tree ground wasn't connected and three was a jumper you can see in the pic. It's this normal practice. I've never seen it before.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/344187498165043201/20170807_133608.jpg

Deleted User 2017-08-07 18:43:20

It looks like the wiring was a two wire system. For a while they decided that grounds were necessary and did not pull a ground conductor. The neutral wire which is the white wire is at Ground potential in the panel so basically it is grounded just like a ground wire would be so they are putting a jumper between the neutral screw and the ground screw so as to ground the outlet. This is not cold legal. The proper fix would be to go buy a two wire Outlet which is an outlet that has the two vertical slots but no round ground hole and put that back in. People change and put 3 wire outlets on so they can plug things like plug strips and other devices with ground prongs but it is neither safe nor legal. If there is a green or bare ground conductor in the box then you can use that to bond to the green screw and use a 3 prong outlet otherwise it should go back to the old to wire original scenario

Deleted User 2017-08-07 18:43:43

* unnecessary

Deleted User 2017-08-07 18:45:52

I see this all the time and it is a scenario that will work and provide both a neutral and a ground but like I said as per your electrical code there should be a wire for the hot a wire for the neutral and a wire for the ground.

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Lebens 2017-08-08 08:07:08

Agreed

Lebens 2017-08-08 08:08:16

The jumping of neutral to ground is to trick an inspectors plug tester. This is a hack job "electricians" work

Lebens 2017-08-08 08:09:12

The ground isnt even wrapped the right direction

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-08 19:31:48

It's weird because there were 2 ground wires in the box they just weren't connected. Which makes me worry there is a bad ground.

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-08 19:38:21

I'm going to buy a cheap circuit tester and do some investigating.

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-08 19:53:59

Well all the grounds are good on that circuit. Unless anyone can think of something I should check, I guess I'm going to hook it back up.

Lebens 2017-08-08 20:13:25

Do a resistance check from neutral to ground. The grounds and neutrals typically are bonded at the panel. Sometimes you will find floating neutrals which means its isolated. However the xo bond coming from the secondary side of transformers creates ground aka your zero reference point

Deleted User 2017-08-08 20:53:11

Yes go ahead and make it all up include your new wire that you were going to run twist all your light colors clockwise under a wired nut with the short jumper wire to your individual device and It will give you best results

Deleted User 2017-08-09 00:38:59

Here is a splice with 3 nm cables and the jumper wires to the outlet. Twist wires clockwise as this is how the wirenuts tighten

Deleted User 2017-08-09 00:39:16

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/344640744490926080/20170808_203504.jpg

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 02:25:42

So after testing all the outlets on that circuit ( and the rest of the house which is ok), the receptacles on that breaker all have an open ground. Looks like I get to spend some quality time in my attic tomorrow.

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 02:27:01

@Lebens I'll give this a try tomorrow too

Lebens 2017-08-09 03:27:40

@Placidseven - MO run a new feed

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 03:34:58

@Lebens i most likely will. I already have the dry wall cut away from running stereo wire and cat5.

Lebens 2017-08-09 03:54:33

@Placidseven - MO and rebuild the ckt like greg sharded a pic of

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 03:56:22

Yeah I'm using that on all my receptacles for now on. Very clean.

Lebens 2017-08-09 04:00:29

This method also changes the ckt to parallel. In parallel ckts the device can fail and usually will not disable the whole ckt as it will in series

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 04:01:10

Very cool

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-09 15:43:58

Just wanted to give a thanks to @Lebens and @Deleted User. I got my issue resolved. It was a ground that had been painted over.

Deleted User 2017-08-09 15:45:11

Crazy stuff. Glad to help. Hope to see u in cville!

Lebens 2017-08-09 17:03:52

Anytime

Deleted User 2017-08-09 17:27:10

@Lebens u going to cville

Lebens 2017-08-09 17:40:29

No sir. During the summer i work non stop. Feast or famon and ive got plenty of mouths to feed brother

Lebens 2017-08-09 17:40:46

Installing a furnace today

Lebens 2017-08-09 17:42:18

out with the old

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/344898196545470474/20170809_104059.jpg

Lebens 2017-08-09 17:42:31

in with the new

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/344898251650105345/20170809_104110.jpg

Lebens 2017-08-09 18:06:43

I know its not electrical but my skills are diverse..... and diversity is our strength goys

Deleted User 2017-08-09 18:24:00

👌

Lebens 2017-08-09 21:06:54

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/344964097647050752/20170809_150325.jpg

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-11 19:36:15

Any of you guys know what this is. It was wired up to a light receptacle in my basement.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/345651652159733780/JPEG_20170811_143516.jpg

Lebens 2017-08-11 20:25:40

Low voltage step down transformer

RevStench 2017-08-11 20:40:44

@Placidseven - MO are you remodeling your home?

Placidseven - MO 2017-08-11 22:34:00

@RevStench more like fixing a poorly remodeled home

RevStench 2017-08-12 02:33:17

Oh haha Well I guess you know some things are done right now.

Deleted User 2017-08-13 21:59:10

For the doorbell @Placidseven - MO

REVNAT/PA 2017-08-15 01:41:54

@Lebens finishing up HVAC school in Feb (18 months). U have any general advice for me? Any areas of the trade i should stay away from, go toward? Im getting straight As but there is just so much to know, areas to go, I feel disoriented. Any advice id greatly appreciate it

RevStench 2017-08-15 01:56:01

@REVNAT/PA bro general advice from another tradesman, I went to trade school for machine tool and now I'm a carpenter, and I specialize in historic preservation. Try everything in your field, and find what you enjoy then find the guys who will pay you the most haha

Lebens 2017-08-15 02:05:02

I recommend targeting residential service companies

Lebens 2017-08-15 02:05:29

Start as an installer. Move up to tech.

Lebens 2017-08-15 02:05:38

Move up to sales tech

Lebens 2017-08-15 02:06:08

Spend some time learning the business and start contracting

Deleted User 2017-08-15 02:32:45

^^^ becoming the contractor is the endgame!

Lebens 2017-08-15 02:54:58

Yes sir

Deleted User 2017-08-19 19:56:08

@Deleted User @Lebens how long does it take to become a certified electrician?

Deleted User 2017-08-19 19:57:26

It varies from state-to-state. you have X amount of hours in the field and some State accredited school. An engineering degree will provide the requirement for time in the field. At that point you're eligible to test for your Master's license

Deleted User 2017-08-19 19:58:04

Your time in the field roughly works out to 4 years

Deleted User 2017-08-19 19:59:05

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/348556499800293376/Screenshot_2017-08-19-16-01-23.png

Deleted User 2017-08-19 19:59:35

Ty

Deleted User 2017-08-19 20:00:12

Yes sir

Lebens 2017-08-19 20:18:54

In cali they verify your ss records for hours. Plus 4-5 years of school

Lebens 2017-08-19 20:20:01

An Apprentice thats brand new makes half of jm wages. So if jm make 50 you make 25 and it goes up every year.

dog0fwar 2017-08-19 20:32:03

I'm an electrical engineer

dog0fwar 2017-08-19 20:32:11

Can I skip the school?

Deleted User 2017-08-19 20:52:06

Again I believe it varies upon state but yes your school degree he is applicable towards a certain portion of the requirements. It should go towards the schooling portion of it

Lebens 2017-08-20 02:39:11

@dog0fwar just know that the goal should be electrical contractor

dog0fwar 2017-08-22 00:24:26

I got 10k in savings and a college degree, should I get on someone else's crew or do my own gog

Deleted User 2017-08-22 00:31:52

I would suggest working for someone else for a while before striking out on your own. There is a lot to be learned from guys that have been out there for a while. To start with one service truck, ladders and tools plus throw in start-up costs insurance licenses Etc you could put a dent it your money quick. You can go residential commercial or Industrial working for someone else would kind of give you an idea of what the different types of work you'll like

Lebens 2017-08-24 06:25:17

Tbh $10k won't be enough at all. And it wont help if you only have theory on paper, you have to know how to install to start a company.

Lebens 2017-08-24 06:27:55

Your best bet is to work for someone for a a few years. Learn residential, commercial and industrial. Once you learn the methods of each, you'll know how to manage a crew worth their salt

Lebens 2017-08-24 06:28:48

Also being good at sales is a bonus

Infineon 2017-08-29 18:32:23

More of an AV thing, but anyone here going to CEDIA?

Lebens 2017-08-30 15:49:07

No sir.

Deleted User 2017-08-31 02:02:33

Great posts in this topic @Lebens and @Deleted User. Very active and great coverage

Lebens 2017-08-31 02:07:17

Ty

Deleted User 2017-08-31 02:11:44

Thanks!

RevStench 2017-08-31 23:03:28

Hey @Deleted User I have a question for you, in that picture of your tool layout, between your scissors and drywall saw, what is that thing with the gray wire nut on one end? I can't make it out in that picture.

RevStench 2017-08-31 23:04:39

is it a rat tail file?

Deleted User 2017-08-31 23:07:06

It's a small triangular file that I used to dress screws and things that I have cut or deburr an edge

Deleted User 2017-08-31 23:07:36

I used to carry a rat tail file to ream the inside of conduits when I cut it. I now use one end of my channel locks that's why they are skinned to go inside the end of a piece of conduit

RevStench 2017-08-31 23:13:53

oh ok. I couldn't make it out. I thought you had some new tool I hadn't seen yet ahah

Deleted User 2017-09-03 15:27:08

@Lebens Did you dingo that trench?

Lebens 2017-09-03 17:05:08

No. Igave the customer the option for an additional $2k. He chose in his words to find some lesser mexicans to dig it. I spray painted the run last week. However my apprentice and i back filled it

Havamal 2017-09-05 04:05:27

Noob, here. My water heater stopped working. Saw that the circuit breaker was switched to the off position for the water heater at the breaker box. Should I replace the breaker or The element on the water heater?

Havamal 2017-09-05 04:07:58

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322712495108128779/354477736536047626/IMG_20170905_000746.jpg

Deleted User 2017-09-05 04:53:49

The breaker is in the tripped position. Turn it to the off position and then try to turn it back on. If the breaker trips immediately then a heating element is shorted out and needs to be replaced. Depending on the age of the water heater you may want to consider replacing it. @Havamal

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:07:03

It does trip immediately when turned back on.

Deleted User 2017-09-05 14:37:11

You have a short brother

Deleted User 2017-09-05 14:37:27

Lol. For want of a comma.

Deleted User 2017-09-05 14:37:37

You have a short, brother.

John O - 2017-09-05 14:38:41

@Havamal Did you do any work recently at your house? Did you hang any pictures?

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:41:07

@Deleted User Haha, he is pretty tall.

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:41:56

@John O - No, I haven't.

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:46:27

Everything else in the house seems to be working just fine. I put an inquiry in on the AO Smith website because the element is 208 volts and 3500 watts, which apparently is rare, even on their website, Lowe's, and Home Depot websites.

John O - 2017-09-05 14:47:27

It probably wasn't that, it's just a personal paranoia.

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:47:40

Hmmm

John O - 2017-09-05 14:48:26

If you have a multimeter, and you want to spend a little while in the init, you can always try to diagnose it yourself.

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:50:08

I might try that. I need to get a multimeter. I also have a discounted service plan with plumbers and electricians through a package when I bought my house.

Havamal 2017-09-05 14:54:31

My dad suggested the element going bad. He is prone to paranioa, but knows a lot more than me when it comes to this stuff. Thanks, guys.

John O - 2017-09-05 16:23:17

@Deleted User I'm about to qualify to take my Journeyman's test. I have two options for the next few years:

1) Stay with the company that I started with, who have told me numerous times that I am foreman material, but are the lowest paying electrical contractor in the state

Or 2) Move to a rich, liberal city, save some money, find a state that I want to live in permanently, buy some property, and start working towards my Master's

Obviously, becoming Master is the next step, but would it be too bad to put it off until I'm 30?

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