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Book of the Month discussion -
We will use this channel to discuss weekly what we have read and learned from the Book of the Month.
"This book, however, is more than just a book. It is many things at once: a handbook, a tool of critical observation, a strategic weapon, a compass of the spirit, and a leader of the struggle - and, because of this, predestined to become the reference work for all European identitarian forces of the Twenty-first century. Like the previous book in this series, this is also written out of duty and inner necessity in the service of a strategy of awakening as well as to create a corpus for a common European worldview. These are war books that serve, one as well as the other, to constantly remind us that we are engaged with an enemy who threatens the very essence of our being: the inviolable right to be and become what we are, with an identity embedded in the legacy of our ancestors, whose biographies tell the most important part of world history. They tell of everything from the conquest of the Earth to the conquest of the stars with the millennia-old, unalterable respect for the laws of life - against all criminal ideologies of racial and cultural extermination, whose handiwork is named miscegenation. By now it should be understood why such books are viewed as being of the worst sort by all who despise and destroy the races. It is because they teach about the right of peoples and the laws of life that govern them, which is everything that these destroyers are attempting to exterminate." Pg 23 (Kindle edition) Why We Fight.
This book is hyping me and I'm still in the foreward.
The forward felt like punishment to me. I skipped part of it with so many names and references to schools of thought, philosophies, and movements. The main text isn't hard to read. I might read the forward after the main text because it's good too. I'm liking the Kindle version because of it's integrated dictionary look up and being able to quickly look up that germen is an archaic word for seed, etc.
Yeah I often skip the forwards or intros to books but since I have no contextual knowledge of Faye I thought it would be necessary to set the stage.
You should push yourself to read the forward and intro. All those references in the forward are great for research and the intro is basically the thesis of any book—really helps you in grasping the whole thing
If an intro is too confusing or dry, I usually make a point to read it at least after I read the whole text.
Most forwards to books spoil the book anyway. Read it after.
Some forwards do tend to do that
i haven't started yet or put my hands on it
have we set an official start date or # of pages/week we are reading?
@Zyzz I think we'll pick 1/5 to start to ensure everyone has a copy. Judging from the poll last night, we will be doing 50 pages weekly.
I will post an announcement in a few hours, just giving more time for people to vote.
Also, if you do not have a copy or do not think you will have one by 1/5, send me a message and we'll get you taken care of.
Im in the same boat @Pavel Cristović but now im hyped without even reading the first page!
Guessing someone's thought about this, but auto repagination is going to make figuring out if you're on the mark for the 50 pages tough. Not sure how to sort that out. Any ideas?
I have thought about this and figured the format could be different for kindle. We could go by chapters to help fix this issue, chapter 3 is 65pgs, we could probably stop there.
Considering the book begins on page 9, it shouldn't be too big of a difference.
So botm is Why we fight?
I ordered it last night, so it will be here Tuesday I think.
Is that a fairly new book.
Why We Fight? 2012 I think
Aye. 29 buckaroos. Worth it
It’s a 2011 translation of a 2001 book. Sort of eerie how it predates what we see now so well.
I have my copy to reread, I'll try to participate
I like the name, btw. Good call back to a uniquely German part of history
Interesting that Faye doesn't talk about the JQ at all does he? I think I read in the forward of the copy of Why We Fight that I have (or maybe it was online) that he used to speak on the JQ, but then had a change of heart on it. Is that true?
Hes in Europe
Faye's position on the JQ is a complex subject. For a detailed analysis of Faye and the JQ i would recommend Michael O'Meara's books *New Culture, New Right* & *Guillaume Faye and the Battle of Europe*
I think Faye largely ignores, but is aware of the JQ, because he knows the real cure for our sickness is strengthening the European peoples first
Got my copy of Why We Fight in the mail. Might get a bit of a headstart if i get the chance to read.
It is unfortunate that Faye takes the line that America is a country for anyone, and not just whites.
Does he ever address Australia and Canada? Or does he view them same as the US?
His 'America is for everyone' line isn't consistent with his AmRen and NPI speeches. A lot of the book seems like rhetoric for Continential readers.
I'm only about a fifth way of the way done - he hasn't talked about them yet
Faye conflates geopolitics and ideology quite a bit. One of my serious problems with him is the antiamericanism throughout the book. The geopolitical criticism is sound, but projecting that onto a cultural critique of America is very irresponsible.
The problem here is the assumption that US foreign policy is guided by rational self-interest, instead of ideology.
He modifies that position quite a bit in *Convergence of Catastrophes* and his later books. Anti-americanism is deeply engrained in Alain de Benoist and GRECE. Faye's more recent stance is actually distinctly friendly toward America in comparison
Benoist's critique of America is essentially justified and extremely valuable IMO, even if we might want to dismiss aspects of it
His criticisms of the Greens are pretty good
the Green party here is pretty similar - unwilling to embrace population reduction and nuclear energy
even if they sometimes do talk (correctly) about the importance of sustainable growth, rather than unlimited growth
I agree. He did a wonderful job defending his position on nuclear energy
[pg. 56] *"What disturbs our neo-Leftist ecologists is the objective power (military and economic) and independence that nuclear power offers Europe, as well as its technological implications. There’s a distinct logic to the Left’s struggle: weaken the European devil, censure her traditions and ancestral memories, defuse her technological and military power, smother her independence, corrupt her mores, and destroy her ethnic germen through immigration. Its anti-nuclear and propetroleum stances are but part of a concerted, multifaceted strategy to destroy the identity and continuity of European civilisation. The Left’s environmental concerns and defence of public health are simply crude, oily pretexts."*
There's an interesting divide between the Old and New Left concerning population-control. A socialist organizer who lives in my building and I found a lot of common ground when I chatted with him recently about overpopulation. And yet, similar conversations that I have had with younger leftists usually derail into Third Worldist rhetoric.
From personal anecdotes, people seem a lot more understanding of the wall and mass deportation when it phrased in environmental terms. Probably that CA is running out of land and water
Made it to chapter 3. Good read so far. Taking notes and will expand on them for the discussion.
Awesome man, look forward to hearing the commentary
He has an interesting idea of a convergence of catastrophes - i.e. that changes in climate, economy, and demographics will result the collapse in the current system
Personally I'm not sure, it seems like Macron or Sisi or Modi or Trump figures might instead predominate
more political repression, with token nationalist actions and a largely unchanged economic system
Political repression, out right police states to control destroyed societies. *if it doesnt change. @Nemets
Great paragraph from page 39
> a rejection of aesthetics and the will to live
^ right. That’s a point that has been very understated but I think is widely felt by all of us. There’s no assertion of who you are and why you deserve to exist. It’s all taken for granted.
I think the second chapter is out of place. Most sustainable energy pushes are good for government and big corporations. Conserving the environment is super important but commissioning a new nuclear facility costs billions and sometimes over a decade of planning
But it looks good, and has been marketed for us. It also gives us the impetus to highlight gross government overregulation and media frenzy over safer forms of energy
I think his point is that its better for Europe and bad for (((America))) and her (((ME allies))) long term. Pointing out American dominance is frustrating cause he doesnt name (((them)))
@Deleted User Late to this discussion, but I agree with you. Saying America is responsible for the factors contributing to Europe's decline is like saying Russia is responsible for Bolshevism.
Two commonalities between the two of them: jew controlled and a threat to the aryan (white European) race.
It's funny how Faye puts America in the same category as Islamic nations.
As if it was white Americans who pushed Marxism onto the masses.
The "melting pot" metaphor to describe America was created by a man literally named Israel in 1908.
Israel Zangwill in his 1917 play created the term right?
about the Russian Jewish immigrant to America?
Yes, this fellow white right here:
Honestly, his connections between the US using Muslims to keep Europe's power in check is an interesting theory, but of course we know the connections that Faye won't mention
However, we DO do that.... the US spreads Muslims around for little justification
We also have a pretty massive influence as a hegemonic entity of pushing diversity culture into Europe
He speaks more of governing bodies than populations
^^^^ what happened to the merchant reaction? Because thats who the feenchman wont name.
This server doesn't have it's own reactions yet.
Americans did spread diversity culture, but that culture was a result of European philosophies that originated before America was even founded.
Very true. Also, I don't think we want to be overly preoccupied with assigning moral blame to jews. If you let parasites manipulate and subvert your culture you can't really blame them for doing that. Jews are just acting in accordance with their nature and their collective interests. We need to look at the reasons why our culture has been unwilling to do the same. Faye and other French New Right thinkers are extremely useful in this regard.
I also think it's worth emphasizing that if you are singularly focused on the JQ then you are probably not going to like Faye. I think most of us will find that Faye's approach to the JQ has its problems. While critiques of Faye from this perspective are valid, i would recommend people think about why he takes the positions he does rather than just continually point at the JQ because trust me that will get tiresome. I only say this because I've noticed a lot of discussions of Faye end up going in this direction.
These philosophies were writen in monolithic societies with monolythic audiences. Much like the Bible, modern Europeans are taking these teachings and applying them to out groups.
It was never intended to be this way & it is destroying us. Hyper altruism, ethnic masochism and the lack of a will to survive is driving it.
And to a degree Faye likely understands that directly going after that group would require energies in conversations he would rather not focus on
The JQ is an easy way to open yourself up to attacks and conversations structured to trap you in the "white nationalist ghetto"
The New Right in Europe would rather not have that conversation
We can attack the systems of oppression that have been set in place to oppress us, and prosecute those who are guilty, which will inevitably lead us to our "J controllers". Once their mechanisms are dismantled, those of us who have the answer to the JQ can wage a silent war against these people and expose them for what they are so we can be certain that they are never permitted to return to ANY western civilization.
I was listening to the the Tara McCarthy debate with Styxhexenhammer yesterday, and he proposed that an identitarian movement isn't necessary for us to fix our society. That is bullshit. The destruction of our ethnic cohesion is a huge weapon that has been leveled against westernkind, and if we do not repair the damage, we may be vulnerable to divide and conquer tactics by the same elitists in the future. I dont know about you goys, but I dont want this same bullshit repeated during the lifetime of my grandchildren....
The only issue I see with not naming them, is that when we attack their mechanisms of oppression, they retain credibility to counter those attacks perpetually; which we've seen over and over again. It's a tough strategic question that I'm still on the fence about. I think the merit of naming them, while it's a much steeper uphill battle, is being able to discredit their defense of these mechanisms.
Not to mention the labyrinthine political understanding required to surgically attack these mechanisms may be beyond the average citizen, rather than giving them a single, simplified focal point of an enemy.
Let's say that we actually manage to drain the swamp, and for the sake of this example, we prosecute 1000 high powered elitists, and 500 of them are sems. It would be a great opportunity to make a case to Westernkind that perhaps there is a concerted effort by this specific demographic to undermine our authority. The problem I see is that, if this country is still hyper-individualistic, they will have a very hard time digesting that another demographic of people has been working against us systematically and cohesively. This is one major reason why we need an identitarian movement in the West. We need our people to remember how ethnic group strategies work if we are to convince them of the validity of what we have surmised to be the true threat.
It's a bitch of a catch 22
To keep trudging forward in both directions as we basically have been seems to be the only answer. I do see progress.
Disgenics can work in our favor. Hopefully the degens will stop breeding and purge themselves from our society, leaving the worthy to pick the torch back up where we left it.
Yeah but women don't operate like males
Good women can be led very much astray
*moment of silence*
All he needed to do was write (((America))) instead of America. I mean, we all know what he is saying.
Hey guys, sorry I haven't been active in this server the last week. I've come down with the flu - which is making its rounds at my work - but have finished about halfway of Why We Fight, and look forward to discussing its content this Sunday.
For those who don't know, we are reading Why We Fight by Guillaume Faye. We plan to read about 50 pages or so a week and discuss what we've read and learned every Sunday.
If you have any questions or are unable to obtain a copy of the book, please send me a message!
Is this something you guys would want to voice chat about or just message within this channel? If we message within the channel, it allows everyone to contribute over time and saves our discussion. Doing it over voice chat may be more enjoyable but then we might lack participation.
We can do both
I definitely think a weekly voice chat would be good
Yeah, I'm thinking voice chat
put it to a vote but i am with voice (i always assumed it would be over voice)
Then it will need to be structured
So Ill talk, you all comment 😆
@Zyzz I don't think voting is necessary, because both can happen. It isn't up to me, though.
What's the time gonna be?
Im good for whatever time you guys decide. I'm not the best public speaker, is there anyone else that would like to take the lead and I could moderate to keep us on track and offer content and questions
I like both
I have a busy weekend with my local group so I cant guarantee I'll be there for voice chat but I'll definitely be checking the text discussion. 📱
"Beware of False Friends" - I'm thinking here of those de Gaulle described as 'kids jumping about crying: Europe! Europe!' talking of renaissance, but all the while defending decadent, permissive, censorious values that envisage Europe as a sort of 'tolerant' Disneyland, open to the world, an ethnopluralist pandemonium - without a defining identity, an internal order, or a will to power. The ideological lure of such discourses is great, especially if conveyed in intellectually pretentious language. It's of utmost importance, though, that we resist such pseudo-identitarians, whose conformity and craving for respectability surreptitiously camouflage multiracial and multicultural dogmas in the form of a European idea that actually dissociates Europe from her 'imperial idea.
^^Faye predictied the Alt-Lite in 2001
He sure did.
Faye is talking about Benoist and co. in that quote. The alt lite is too dumb to be accused of anything like "intellectually pretentious discourse" lol
There are a few alt lites that are intellectuals. However the vast majority are not.
The Alt lite thinks they are intellectuals and some have British accents so that's good enough for some people
Poor lauren southernites
@here so just to be clear we are reading up to "Strategic Principles"?
@CarletonJ I have the ebook so pages are different. Can you tell me the title of chp 3? Is it Strategic Principles?
Let me check
Alt-Light is a good starting point. Once an Alt-Light person comes across Jared Taylor, they will be convinced in most cases.
Uncle Jared ftw.
[pg. 15] "America may collude with forces of Islam to divide and weaken Europe for the sake of her global empire,"
[pg. 18] "This mandate, as the world's sole superpower, successor of Rome, would lead it to wage 'humanitarian wars' (Serbia, Kosovo, Iraq, etc.) in the name of its disordering global nomos; to enthrone the abstract, disembodied 'human rights' everywhere at the expense of historic and customary rights; to prevent all regulation of High Finance or Wall Street, and to use its vast powers to uphold the claim that the U.S. economy (and, by implication, the U.S. itself) had evolved, as Greenspan put it in 1998, 'beyond history' (i.e., beyond the realities that once conditioned economic/political behavior); etc.
Against the Philistines of the Marxist Left (who betrayed the European working class for the detritus of an overpopulated Third World) and against the Babbitts of the so-called Right (whose one and only God is Mammon), Faye saw that the anti-European, multicultural, reality-denying forces of America’s global economic order would experience (within a decade) not just a long patch of very stormy
weather, when their fantasy projects and hyper-power plans would succumb to certain formerly-denied realities-he saw that their self-generating catastrophes, and the interregnum they would create, were about to give the ‘resistance’ another opportunity to throw off
liberalism’s death-embrace ---and, once the chaos passed, inaugurate a Fourth Age of European civilisation."
[pg. 19] "In times of indoctrinated lies and well-bred civil cowardice, the courage to tell the truth mutates into a cardinal sin, as the few who take on the challenge must share the heretics' hopeless fate of banishment."
[pg. 19] "Should Europe not succeed in awakening its life-giving instinct for resistance, her peoples and cultures could be hopelessly lost forever."
[pg. 19] "But which destruction, which dangers, which death really threatens Europe? Just as the legendary hydra, these threats are like a multi-headed monster. Her decline is evident in the loss of her defining values: the fading away of an attachment to her people; a consciousness of her identity, history, and ethnicity; principles of selection, merit, and excellence; organic democracy; a will to power, an ethics of honor, and a striving to go beyond the human. The dangers, on the other hand, can be seen everywhere: toadying before the watchdog America; consumerism and mercantilism behind the grotesque face of Homo oeconomicus; emasculation and the cult of homosexuality with its various shades of degraded morality, universalism, globalism and mondialism of all shades and with all prayer wheels; individualism and, as the lethal culmination of it all, ethnomasochism and xenophilia of all origins and colours. This mental, spiritual and political degeneration into death knows many languages, names and forms, and then, at the very end, it rips its mask off: the demographic decline of the White peoples, the secret implantation of Islam -which will carry out its merciless assault once its time has come - and finally the planting of a genetic bomb, whose delayed destination will inevitably lead to racial chaos and destruction.
Contrary to the suicidal opinions held by the sorcerers’ apprentices of the multi-racial heresies, the analysis made by all experts on immigration, demographics and economics are symptomatic of an ever widening gulf opening up between the clear vision of the scientists and the dementia of the dysfunctional political class. Herwig Birg, for example, the manager of the Institut fur Bevolkerungsforschung und Sozialpolitik of the University of Bielefeld, gets straight to the point: ‘Little by little we are moving this country towards the Second or Third World. I say this with conviction... Germany has much to lose - a culture admired around the world and a great prosperity which depends on this culture, and which will dissipate as the mass immigration from the Third World continues.’"
"Arguing if atheists are going to be allowed in the ethnostate isn't productive if there aren't going to be any white people left."
[pg. 20] "Fate's irony surpass the most horrific scenarios we could have imagined as the guests of yesterday mutate into the new lords of the land, and who then take charge over society."
[pg. 22] "The willingness to redefine our terms thus implies a mental readiness to begin a counterattack against the political correct tyranny's aggressions and intimidations, these being nothing but a ruse by an enemy who knows full well that the more you pervert the language of a people, the more the spirit will be distorted and its resistance weakened.
[pg. 24] "We possess, however, the highest trump - the trump of trumps, which those who are attempting to erase all traces of their own blood do not possess and never can possess. We know where we are going because we know where we came from. We possess the memory of the history that is also the memory of the mythos of our ethnos, the consciousness of an unbroken line of ancestors from whom we have inherited the most valuable of all privileges: namely, the privilege to be like them."
[pg. 24] "The time is short! The challenge is huge, yet it is from our enemies' folly that wisdom is born, from this will that life is passed on, and from this despair that hope rises: for only at the very epicentre of danger does that which saves continue to grow - provided one knows, believes and wants it."
I think this disappointment in Trump is unfounded. Anyone who has been watching the news regarding immigration trends, ICE undates, public opinion polls, etc. should be ecstatic.
If you expected anything more than what he has been doing your expectations are unrealistic.
He's holding so many doors of opportunity for us it's practically a miracle.
[pg. 29] "The worst wars are the undeclared ones. They break out quietly, like an uneasy breeze, and are the harshest, most deadly.
Europe today faces the greatest danger in her history, a danger threatening the very existence of her civilisation. For she is at war and doesn’t even know it. She may sense the danger, but refuses to see it, burying her head in the sand, like the ostrich, hoping to conjure it away.
We Europeans are rapidly and massively being occupied and colonised by peoples from the South and by Islam. We are subject to America’s economic, strategic, and cultural New World Order. The two march hand in hand. We are emasculated by ideologies of decline and by those of a facile optimism, we are menaced by a regression of culture and education toward primitivism and by the faint simulation of prosperity.
Europe is the sick man of the world. It’s obvious in her demographic decline, in her physiological devirilisation, and in the reigning ideology of ethnomasochism, imposed by politically correct censors and the controlled media. We are gnawed at from within and attacked from without. We are set upon by assailants, occupiers, and collaborators, who make up the majority of the political, media, and intellectual classes, whether of the Right or the Left. The people have yet to see it because their shopping carts are still full. And though everyone may secretly suspect that the war has begun, the majority denies it, because for the moment no one has the courage to fight it. For the moment. . ."
[pg. 34] "We should also be wary of certain spiritual, metaphysical, and, so-called ‘philosophical’ tendencies. Wary especially of those impostors who call themselves ‘theologians’ in the confines of their office... though a spiritual renewal is absolutely necessary - for the sake of Europe’s rebirth - and against materialistic narcissism, which is the primal cause of her present tragedy.
Spirituality is not spiritualism. It isn’t something to be decreed or instrumentalised, like a computer program. I’m a devoted reader of Evola, particularly of his extraordinary political and social-philosophical texts, but take heed of ‘Evolianism’ (and the even more dangerous ‘Guénonism’) that turns away from practical, tangible issues. Reflection must serve action and is not to be confused with metaphysical tautologies. I particularly address this warning to my Italian friends.
Distrust is no less warranted in respect to that artificial and instrumentalised ‘paganism’ that threatens to succumb to either a New Age disconnected from any worldly struggle, or worse, in the name of a badly understood polytheism, to xenophilia and a catastrophic ‘Love of the Other" I should add that I have...
long considered myself a pagan, fully pagan, allied to traditional Catholicism, and a friend of Hinduism, but a fierce adversary of the desert’s totalitarian monotheisms.
A similar prudence is needed in respect to Catholic charismatic spirituality, with its enervating mysticism, and particularly its destructively pacifist dismissal of ethnicity and the will to power.
We need, in a word, to be alert to demobilising mysticisms, to a pretentious but hollow intellectualism, to easy refuge in a 'spirtuality' or 'philosophy' whose attitudes, postures, and loopholes are ultimately tangential to the resistance.
[pg. 37] "Contrary to the prevailing belief, it's not economic or military power, nor its social constitution or political independence, that in the last instance determines the longevity of a people or civilisation. These elements are extremely important, but they are part of the superstructure. The base of everything is biocultural identity and demographic renewal."
[pg. 38] "Today, as night descends on them, European peoples need to consciously see themselves as a people, for they have less than a century to save their germen and their civilisation. The Twenty-first century will be the decisive century, specifically its early decades. More than ever, the old military adage - 'vanquish or die!' - assumes its pertinence. If the generation of native Europeans which turns 20 between 2000 and 2010 doesn't act, everything will be lost - forever - as the spirit of those who built the great cathedrals is finally extinguished. East Europeans won't even be able to aid their brothers in the West, for they too are sick."
pg. 38] "The key issues facing the future won't be about financing start-ups, finding a place in the political system for women, or looking out for the 'gay community', but rather about determining the outcome of the coming clash between Europe and the Islamic world colonising her: will Europeans remain the majority of the European population; will they be able to check the dramatic degradation of the Earth's environment, etc?"
[pg. 39] "Why do we fight? We don't fight for 'the cause of peoples', because the identity of every people is its own concern, not ours, and because history is a cemetery of peoples and civilisation. We fight only for the cause of our own people's destiny. Our political activities - the most quotidian cultural or metapolitical, the most down-to-earth, the most humble activities, even in the formulation of our practical programs - are guided by the imperative of all Grand Politics: that is, by the struggle for the heritage of our ancestors and the future of our children."
We need to reorient people to the big picture and leave out less important squabbles. "What matters most at this point is a unifying ideological platform. When the house is on fire, domestic disputes are put on hold."
[pg.39] "European civilisation is gangrened with the cosmopolitanism that comes with the Western system, which it helped create, as Nietzsche saw in an earlier phase of its decay. Europe’s destiny in this sense is tragic.
The main cause of her decline is the maturation of those Eighteenth century ideas of equality and individualism that came at the expense of our communal, national, and ethnic consciousness. Another cause is the secularisation of Judaeo-Christian universalistic and egalitarian - values. A third is the materialistic frenzy constitutive of the bourgeois spirit.
Europeans as such are themselves responsible for the ills afflicting them: the ills of the declining birth rate, Third World and Islamic colonisation, deculturation, American domination, strategic feeblemindedness, etc. They have, in effect, allowed their enemies to pollute their spirit and corrupt their body."
pg. 41] "Far from becoming a ‘planetary civilisation: a global village, the planet is today being organised into competing ethnic/identitarian blocs. The mixing of cultures and the abolition of identities are not part of the Twenty-first-century’s project. India, China, Black Africa, the Arab-Muslim or Turkish-Muslim world, etc., are affirming their identities, tolerating neither a colonising immigration nor a cultural mélange on their soil. Only our pseudo-European elites defend the dogma of a ‘mixed planet’, which is pure illusion."
[pg. 52] "Islam strives for revenge and conquest. The United States - logically from its geostrategic perspective - endeavours to neutralise Europe, whose unification threatens American hegemony and Economic interests on the Continent. To divide Europeans in order to better rule them, the U.S. endeavours to foster war and discord, it favours Islamic immigration, it seeks to prevent a European alliance with Russia and the Slavs, it keeps us under its military tutelage, and it forces us to open our markets without reciprocating, all the while pro-claiming that it’s our protector: this is the logic of America’s perverse hegemony in Europe, which the Europe of nation-states, no less than the Europe of Maastricht and Amsterdam, is unable to defend herself against, because she lacks the will to do so."
[pg. 53] "The disaster of the oil tanker Erika in 1992 reminds us that petroleum energy is the most polluting in the world. The pseudo-ecologists, however, reserve their thunder for nuclear energy, the least polluting form of energy! The reason: oil is a pillar of American hegemony and the financial basis of the Muslim states. Nuclear power, moreover, would make Europe energy independent, which is seen with a jaundiced eye. There exists, as such, an objective alliance between Trotskyist Greens, American interests, and the Muslim states."
[pg. 54] "Fossil fuels (petroleum, coal, and gas) emit millions of tons of carbon and nitrogen oxides into the atmosphere, which cause cancer (more than the mythical radiation) and diminish the ozone layer, responsible for the greenhouse effect, which raises temperatures and causes climatic disturbances. In France alone, nuclear energy avoids emitting 78,000 tons of dust, 1.1 million tons of nitrogen dioxide, 2 million tons of sulphur dioxide, and 337 million tons of carbon dioxide, the gases that are the most polluting and the most destructive to health. Thanks to her nuclear capacity, France has reduced 70 percent of the polluting gases that come from electrical production, while the other 30 percent are emitted by gas-based motors and cars, which is more than all the waste produced by her industry! Thanks to nuclear energy, France (whose electrical production is the most advanced in the world) pollutes the atmosphere less than any of her EU partners: 6.9 tons of carbon dioxide per inhabitant, against the European average of 8.15 tons and the German average of 11 tons."
[pg. 56] "What disturbs our neo-Leftist ecologists is the objective power (military and economic) and independence that nuclear power offers Europe, as well as its technological implications. There’s a distinct logic to the Left’s struggle: weaken the European devil, censure her traditions and ancestral memories, defuse her technological and military power, smother her independence, corrupt her mores, and destroy her ethnic germen through immigration. Its anti-nuclear and propetroleum stances are but part of a concerted, multifaceted strategy to destroy the identity and continuity of European civilisation. The Left’s environmental concerns and defence of public health are simply crude, oily pretexts."
Main point is to get away from Saudi influences through energy independence. Fossil fuels cause a lot of damage, asthma, cancer, etc. Nuclear is clean until is destroys an area for thousands of years. Fusion, on the other hand, would be ideal when we figure it out.
If I remember correctly, an EMP attack could shut down electric for months, but nuclear reactors only have back up for weeks. Can they shut down in time? What if they are unattended?
Who would say 'yes'? The same gov that inspected the platforms in the gulf?
[pg. 59] "Everyone talks about the ‘new economy’ that is, the economy based on multimedia telecommunications and information services provided by the Internet, which have supposedly ushered in a second Golden Age. This magical talk, with its euphoric sensibility, simply reiterates the old progressive, scientistic illusions. In fact, it’s just another neo-liberal imposture, whose modernist hegemony is presently coming to an end. For the ‘new economy’ may well culminate in disaster.
The internet and the 'new technologies' are no ‘revolution’, but a simple evolution and, undoubtedly, one of great fragility. Founded on the globalisation of trade, techno-science, and the instantaneity of informatron, the ‘new economy’ is actually more than a century old.
Online sales, for instance, are only an improvement of the older forms of mail order sales introduced around 1850, and correspond to no structural change. Similarly, not the Internet, nor multimedia cell phones, TV networks, smart cards, the general ‘informationisation‘ of society, or genetic engineering represent a fundamental structural change, but are, rather, the ‘elaboration’ of already existing things. For none of these so-called new technologies are comparable to the real upheavals, the real techno-economic metamorphoses, that occurred between 1860 and 1960 - and completely revolutionised life and society - with internal combustion engines, electricity, the telephone, the telegraph, the radio (far more revolutionary than television), the railroad, the airplane, penicillin, antibiotics, etc. The new technologies are behind us! There has been no fundamental innovation since 1960: computers have only been reconceived, and made faster and cheaper than what already existed. In contrast, the automobile, antibiotics, telecommunication, and air travel were authentic revolutions making possible things that had previously been impossible."
@Algrin "Bailey" Bagley - PA Can nuclear reactors shut down? Yeah, you need a guy sitting in the seat pushing the buttons and changing the rods.
@John O - Fukishima was a disaster. It seems that it can't be that easy. I wish nuclear power could save us. But I don't trust the gov if they say its safe.
Gotya. Yeah, it's complicated, but you have very competent people running them (usually)
I gotta get out of here. Good talk, guys
20% growth forever! All else be damned! .... what could go wrong?
Thank you everyone! Goodnight.
The short sighted people who are making quick money now will still make money in the collapse. They make money in peace and war, ... good times and bad.
Y'all have a good night!
I'm out as well. Will be here next time.
Thanks for the discussion
Nice talking to you man, thanks for contributing!
The level of discussion speaks volumes of the people we have in the movement. I very much enjoyed listening to the contributors and how they applied their digestion of the material to practical matters. Thank you to those who orchestrated today's voice chat and a huge kudos to @CarletonJ for bringing the discussion points to establish a flowing structure.
Looking forward to next weekend!
Sorry I missed the general chat gents. I was at a wake this eve.
No worries, man. We'll have another next Sunday.
AESTHETICS - According to its Greek etymology, ’that which evokes a strong sensation'. Aesthetics is linked to notions of beauty, harmony, achievement of form.
Contemporary egalitarian ideology abhors and implicitly demonises aesthetics. It associates (rightly) the will to power with discipline, which it considers morally unacceptable, ‘fascist’ in effect. This ideology opposes aesthetics to ‘ethics’ and situates itself in ethics’ iconoclastic tradition.
With the plastic arts, architecture, cinema, literature, theatre, even fashion, the ugly, the unachieved, the unformed, the most far-fetched nonsense, the shady and the watered down are now preferred to the aesthetic, which is made synonymous with a menacing ‘order’.
Since the mid-Twentieth century, contemporary arts, encouraged by the dominant ideology, have rejected any notion of aesthetics. Instead of harmony, the power of forms, the exaltation and elevation of sensation and beauty - notions of abstract ‘conceptual art’ are preferred, which becomes a pretext for degeneracy, wilful ugliness, and subsidised incompetence. Abstraction accordingly reigns, just as a jargonising meaninglessness and obscurity enthrals the intellectuals. The genuine aesthete, the authentic artist, is ostracised or marginalised -as if he were politically incorrect. Hence, the paradox of a society that strives to be ‘moral’ and humanistic, but ends up privileging barbarism, the inversion of values, and new forms of primitivism. We’re witnessing the simultaneous cohabitation of (1) abstruse ‘contemporary’ art subsidised by the system, (2) a cult which turns the ‘past’ into museum pieces, and (3) a commercial and consumerist subculture. Contemporary art has become the very opposite of avant-garde art. Its sad impostures haven’t budged for a century. It combines a dull academism, imposture, an absence of talent, and financial speculation. Instead of aesthetics, the system prefers pessimistic or suicidal values of representation, those that come from chaos and deformity, nonsense, pathological abstraction, regression, infantilism, scatology, a psychotic pornography: the exaltation of primitive forms (what the visionary Céline called ‘the tom-tom cult’ or what Chirac calls ‘primitive art”). Accompanying this wretchedness, this impotence of old men, there’s the vulgar, artificial boom of costume culture, which is to culture what costume jewellery is to jewellery.
The rejection of aesthetics is crucial to the dominant ideology. For aesthetics, at root, is aristocratic, opposed to massification and fake elites.
ALIEN - Within a given population, those who are culturally and biologically of non-indigenous origin.
AMERICANISM - Americanism is the ideological affirmation of the general domination exercised by the United States and its social-cultural model - which are seen as the apotheosis of modernity and Western civilisation.
ANTI-RACISM - In the guise if combating racism and xenophobia, this doctrine encourages discrimination in favor of aliens, the dissolution of European identity, the multi-racialisation of European society, and, at root, paradoxically, racism itself.
---ANTI-RACISM, moreover, translates into a racial obsession and contradicts itself, since it partisans deny the existence of races. In promoting open borders and dogmatically encouraging multi-racial society, anti-racists end up objectively provoking racism.
ARCHEOFUTURISM - The attitude that approaches the future in terms of ancestral values, believing that notions of modernism and traditionalism need to be dialectically transcended.
---Archeofuturism opposes both modernity and conservatism, seeing them as versos of one another and believing that modernity is backward-looking, having failed to realize either its ideals or great projects.
ARISTOCRACY - Literally and etymologically, 'the government of the best'. Second meaning: 'The class of the best'. The problem is defining the 'best' and determining if it actually governs society.
---Those who defend their people before their own interests, those who respond to real anthropological and cultural criteria: this is the criteria for defining aristocrats.
ASSIMILATION - The belief that the immigrant masses can become French or European if they renounce their cultural origins.
---All assimilation is equivalent to cultural genocide, for the assimilator or the assimilated.
AUTARKY OF GREAT SPACES - The organization of the world economy into autonomous, self-centered great spaces, in opposition to globalism's capitalist and free trade dogmas
---The autarky of great spaces is no obsidional closure, but an exercise in contingency: only those things that can't be produced domestically are imported. International exchanges are thus limited but not suppressed.
BELIEF IN MIRACLES - The general prejudice inherent to egalitarian and humanitarian utopias, as well as the philosophy of progress - which holds 'one can have everything at the same time' and that reality is no obstacle.
---Illusion of infinite development, pedagogical illusion, communist conception of solidarity illusion, illusion of immigration as a benefit, Third-world illusion, ecological illusion, and illusion of the new economy.
BIOPOLITICS - A political project oriented to a people's biological and demographic imperatives.
---Biopolitics is a policy devoted to the long range preservation and improvement of a people's biological germen. (Eugenics)
BORN LEADER - A creative personality imbued with a historical vision of the world.
---History is the fertilization of a people's passive soul by the active soul of its born leaders.
BOURGEOISISM - The mental characteristics of the petty bourgeoisie, extended to the whole of modern society irrespective of social class.
---The modern petty bourgeoisie or middle class dominating present-day society tries to be 'trendy', but betrays an extraordinary conformity. It's both the target and the principle actor in the ideological/intellectual establishment of the reigning soft totalitarianism.
CHAOS, ETHNIC - A historical situation in which people or civilisation loses its ethnic basis due to the mass immigration of aliens.
---Ethnic chaos was a factor in the decomposition of the Roman Republic and Empire, Pharanoic-Egyptian civilization, and many ancient Greek cities. Europe is presently in the grip of a colonising settlement by overseas peoples. A civilization disappears once it loses it original ethnic basis. It becomes a patchwork quilt in which any idea of city, community, and destiny is impossible.
Ethnic chaos signals the pure and simple disappearance of a people and a civilization - and of true democracy - as all the classical Greek philosophers warned.
CHAOS, POST-CHAOS - Chaos is that state of disorganization and anarchy affecting a collectivity of any sort, once it's beset by catastrophe. The post-chaos is that phase when a new order is reconstructed on the basis of a revolutionary, metamorphic logic.
CIRCULATION OF ELITES - An expression of the sociologist Vildredo Pareto to designate the process by which elites are renewed, new blood brought in, and incompetence shed.
---The circulation of elites requires a principle of rigorously selecting the best and most deserving, in a word, it's an 'intelligent inegalitarianism' founded on justice. The selection of elites, like the notion of aristocracy, is based on principles of freedom and competition: 'The best wins.'
Apologies can't do voice right now. Hope the discussion is going well the metapolitical dictionary has been a pleasant read.
CIVIL WAR, ETHNIC - The grave and foreseeable confrontation between native Europeans and the alien colonizers, mainly of Afro-Maghrebian origin - a confrontation that threatens to break out in France and Belgium early in the Twenty-first century.
---It's only the outbreak of a real civil war that will resolve the present problems of colonization, Africanization, and Islamization - the greatest tragedy in European history and one which completely escapes the perspicscity of her 'elites', who are either blind or enemy collaborators.
---It's only when their backs are against the wall, faced with an unavoidable emergency, that people find solutions that in other times are unthinkable.
---Conditions for civil war are still not quite ripe, given the apathy of Europe's anesthetized population (anesthetized by market society and various guilt-inducing ideologies.) These conditions will soon ripen:
1) Once the state starts falling into the hands of Afro-Maghrebian and Muslim 'communities.'
2) Once the degradation of the people's economic situation (provoked in part by the aging population) is compounded by a conspicuous increase in Afro-Maghrebian criminality, as it reaches unsupportable levels and is linked to more and more pronounced alien conquests of the national territory. One never revolts when the shopping cart is full.
---It's all a matter of reaching that stage where the population clearly sees the danger. There will be no European rebellion until Afro-Maghrebians hold power and are seen thus as oppressors and occupiers - not until the economic catastrophe resulting from immigration and demographic decline breaks out. This is slowly beginning.
It's going well. Hopefully you can join us soon. We'll be reading more books in the future, so you'll have plenty of chances.
COLONIZATION - The occupation and permanent installation of a people (or several peoples) on another people's homeland. This term is preferable to that of immigration.
COMMUNITARIANISM - The doctrine that diverts and disfigures the notion of 'community.' Of American origin, communitarianism is a doctrine advocating the cohabitation of different ethnic communities within the same society, each with its own laws, imaging that harmony between these different communities is possible.
---The communitarian doctrine and those who defend it are, objectively, complicit with ethnic colonisation and Islamic invasion.
COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY-OF-A-PEOPLE - A group whose organic bonds are animated by sentiment of belonging, homogeneity, heritage, and wanting to live together and share the same destiny.
---The community-of-a-people is organically subdivided into encompassing sub-communities: nations, regions, towns, clans, families, etc. True democracy, in the classic Greek sense, is only possible within such a communal context.
---The community-of-the-people - given that solidarity, social justice, freedom, security, defense, and the transmission of values are possible within it - operates with at least a minimum of ethnic unity and a sense of innate belonging.
Thanks for the discussion! Have to duck out. Phone call. Nice hearing from everyone.
@SamanthaM thanks for joining! We'll be doing another discussion next week!
COMPETITION - The clash of living-forms for supremacy and survival.
--- Competition affects every domain of existence; it's observable between individuals and between groups. Communal solidarity is the sole element mitigating its harshness. I'm blunting the individual's egoism, it's goal is to ensure the superiority of the comminity over other communities.
CONCEPTION-OF-THE-WORLD - The ensemble of values and interpretations of reality - implicitly or explicitly distinct to a specific human group - whether a people, a civilization, a family or thought, political or not, a religion, etc.
---In the European, Western universe, there are two opposed conceptions-of-the-world. The dominant one, issuing from Judaeo-Christianity, is egalitarian, individualistic, and cosmopolitan. European paganism, can be called inegalitarian, communalist, and ethnic.
CONSCIOUSNESS, ETHNIC - The individual or collective consciousness if the necessity to defend the biological and cultural identity of one's people, the indispensable condition for the longevity and autonomy of its civilization.
---Ethnic consciousness clashes with the prejudices of modern anti-racism and ethnomasochism, both of which afflict Europeans. The dominant ideology demonises ethnic consciousness and equates it with a racist perversion and a will to persecute. Europeans thereby denied the right to an ethnic consciousness, a right which every other people has been granted.
CONSCIOUSNESS, HISTORICAL - The consciousness of belonging to a civilization and to a people long inscribed in a distinct history and destiny.
---Absence of historical consciousness will undoubtedly become the tomb of Western civilization, incapable as it now is of envisioning the future or measuring up to the stature of its past - and thus unable to ensure its own survival.
CONSUMERISM - Choice of a society founded exclusively on the quantitative dimension of its members' material consumption - to detriment of all other considerations.
CONVERGENCE OF CATASTROPHES - The converging lines if civilization rupture that in the course of the Twenty-first century will consume the 'modern world' in a great planetary chaos.
---From this chaos - which will be extremely painful at the planetary level - there will emerge the possibility of a new post-catastrophic world order - the painful birth of a new civilization.
1) The cancerizstion of Europe's social fabric.
2) Factors of social rupture in Europe will be aggravated by an economic-demographic crisis that will culminate in mass poverty.
3) Chaos in the Global south.
4) Threat of a world financial crisis.
5) The rise of fanatical, fundamentalist religions, especially Islam.
6) North-South confrontation, highlighting ethnic-theological differences.
7) The uncontrollable pollution of the planet.
COSMOPOLITANISM - The belief that the systematic mélange of cultures is preferable to the identity of each culture - the belief that comes from prejudice that some sort of world civilization is necessary.
---Cosmopolitanism is nothing but a failed differentialism. It's ideal of mixing cultures for the sake of creating a single world culture is essentially totalitarian.
CULTURAL STRUGGLE - The defence and creative assertion of threatened European cultures.
---Political struggle is sterile without a cultural struggle to support, accompany, and justify it.
CULTURE, CIVILIZATION - Culture is the compass of a people's mentalities, traditions, mores, and values. Civilization is the tangible material expression of the culture, representing culture's practical realization.
---A civilization grows out of a culture's mental and spiritual stock, whose ethnic disposition is largely inherited.
---Culture is the basis of civilizations, but culture also rests on a people's genetic capacity - that is, on its bio-anthropological substrata, it's germen.
DECADENCE - The weakening of a people or civilization resulting from internal causes that leads it to lose its identity and creativity.
DECULTURATION - The loss of memory and cultural references.
---The dominant ideology wilfully contributes to the present deculturation, to the de-Europeanization of youth, because it wants to detach youth from their roots and cause them to lose their identity, which is reputedly dangerous. Illiteracy, the abandonment of the study of history and classical humanism are well-known examples. The present deculturation of European youth is pursued not for the sake of a superior, more elaborate culture (which was the case when primitive populations encountered Europe's superior culture in the Nineteenth-century), but for the sake of an inferior, massified, and neo-primative culture: that of zapping, video games, tom-tom, degenerate pop art (the opposite of 'popular art'), etc
DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRATISM, ORGANIC DEMOCRACY - A political system in which the people is sovereign and governed by its elected representatives.
---Democratism is now a world dogma, but it's a sham democracy, for it neglects the people's interests. Western democracies are actually oligarchies that conceal their betrayal of the Hellenic-Germanic tradition of democracy.
---The people have lost control of its destiny and a disguised totalitarianism has come to control it: in the guise of a false plurality, the parliamentary Left and Right function almost as a single party, dealing with issues only if they are politically correct. That is, only if they serve the interests of the oligarchy and the dominant ideology.
---In Western Europe, the best illustration of democracy's absence is the fact that the established power objectively favor our replacements by non-Europeans, Islamic colonizers, without ever having consulted native Europeans. The people's destruction, it's ethnocide, is indeed programmed by the present pseudo-democracy. This makes it completely anti-democratic, since it destroys what needs conserving.
---Should we be anti-democratic? No, we should instead revive the organic democracy deeply rooted in the European tradition. Such a democracy, as the Ancient Athenian political philosophers held, is possible only among ethnically homogenous people.
The notion of allowing aliens to vote negates the very idea of the nation and democracy. The participation of everyone in the exercise of power, in making political decisions affecting the whole, is possible only within human ensemble possessing the same values, memories, and culture. A multi-racial, multi-confessional society can in no case be democratic, since it lacks commonly shared references. Such a society would be endemically oppressive and culminate in a caste system.
---Organic democracy is not egalitarian. It gas need of leaders, ones who serve the people, bit themselves. In the Oriental tradition, which has contaminated us today, the governing elites serve their own interests, their own vanity, their own sinecures. In the European tradition, the leader, the king, the emperor, the elites served their people, being part of it, like the brain is part of the body. Hence its 'organic' character.
DESIGNATION OF THE 'ENEMY' AND THE 'FRIEND', 'ENEMY' AND 'ADVERSARY' - The enemy is one who physically poses a danger, who endeavors to eliminate you by making you disappear; the adversary dominates and weakens you.
---Europe's principle enemy at present is the alien, the colonizing immigrant masses, and Islam. Her principle adversary is America, which allies with Islam to weaken and dominate Europe.
DESTINY, BECOMING - The way of a people in history or of a creative personality, determined by Providence, will, and capacity.
DEVIRILISATION - The declining values of courage and virility for the sake of feminist, xenophile, homophile, and humanitarian values.
---The dominant Western ideology fosters this devrilisation of Europeans, though it doesn't touch the alien colonizers. Homophilia, like the feminist fashion of false liberation, the ideological rejection of large families for the sake of the unstable nuclear couple, the declining birth rate, the preference of photographers for the African and the Arab, the constant justification of miscegenation, the denigration of warrior values, hatred for every powerful, forceful form of aesthetics, as well as the prevailing lack of courage - are some if the present characteristics of this devrilisation.
DISCIPLINE - The regulation and positive adaptation of behavior through sanction, reward, and exercise.
---The anti-disciplinary societies of today are hardly exempt from repression and other, more cloaked, forms of totalitarianism. Repression has merely changed its object and nature. The rigorous of the law, fiscally and punitively, now fall on the 'transparent citizen', but the number of no-go zones keeps expanding, just as delinquency and other criminal activities are increasingly tolerated. Indeed, all kinds of violent delinquencies have grown. 'Hate speech' (i.e., identitarian speech) or 'homophobia' is strictly repressed, as the thought police demand, but drugs are decriminalized, the threshold for urban delinquency is raised, secularism is violated in favor of Islam, terrorists and urban rioters are appeased, etc.
These are the signs of a society whose fundamental values have become suicidal - a society which represses and censors everything that is vital and encourages everything that is culturally and biologically pathological.
Very much enjoyed that convo last night lady and gents. All contributions were solid and thoughtful and the level of critical thinking gives me much hope. Thank you!
Hey, everyone! Just wanted to update you all that we'll be having our book discussion tonight at 9p EST. Talk to you guys then!
@everyone Book discuission will begin in about 10 minutes.
I don't have mic, so I have to type.
Or switch to phone.
Wow JT would be awesome.
DOMESTICATION - Mental and behavioural submission to a social and ideological system, accompanied by a loss of will and proper judgment, and a physical dependence on material conditions.
-Domesticated man is profoundly attached to the social structures conditioning him, devoid as he is of all revolutionary spirit and historical vision. Whether at the top or the bottom of the social scale, he is a human type incapable of autonomy, the model citizen of our neo-totalitarian age, the modern figure of the slave.
The paradox of the domesticated man is that he has been made to feel that he is an ‘individual’; and indeed narcissistic individualism has become his sole horizon. He’s a little like the artificially bred pig who is force-fed in his cramped cage. The individualism of this domesticated creature, though, actually conceals his submission to the herd’s morality.
"Cult of comfort." - Neoptolemos
ECONOMISM - The reduction of social and political goals to their economic dimension, characteristic of Western ideologies.
-From the viewpoint of economism, history is explainable solely in terms of economic factors, which are seen as facets of a civilisation’s infrastructure, while cultural, demographic, and other factors are ignored or treated as secondary.
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