I find it very frustrating that party operatives can install a thousand different mechanisms to facilitate fraud, and then the burden of proof is on proving that they actually committed it and case by case

the epitome of that is ousting all the observers and still you need to prove, without having had access to anything, that any fraud happened and case by case

yep

this tweet sounds to me like Trump is aware that Biden is likely to be POTUS

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1330364307335426051

thoughts?

please don't spam the election channel with left-right philosophy

@Doc you were lied to, elections have nothing to do with generic philosophy about progressivism vs conservatism

btw there's news about Powell

pls take generic talk not about current events related to the election to <#772982351520333824>

Powell made very strong accusations to GA's governor, then Trump's campaign distanced themselves from her

I don't think it's 3D chess

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1330671677211029506

https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1330662463373799429

we live in an age when basic decency and fair play cannot be assumed, the election system needs to be reinforced to reflect that

concerted fraud efforts are totally a possibility, the incentives are very strong

if States are to run their elections independently, the federal gov should run pen testing on each of them, trying to sneak in fake votes to test each State's system

sadly the courts will be under huge pressure so yea, I expect them to err on the side of not upsetting the election

you need very strong stuff

we've all seen video of Philly boarding up windows and blocking observers from entry, but PA's court just dismissed all that

regarding preponderance of evidence: a lot of the allegations are about things that Dems scored BEFORE the election, this has a huge weight. Waiting until after the election is tacitly having accepted all the rigging done in the open before.

yep this was posted before but the channel is spammed with 2-way chats

republicans allowed all the voting machines, also allowed the extension of mail-in voting and the removal of checks in several states

where were they?

@liftandstudy yep but poll watchers being excluded is already losing in State courts, maybe it will go to SCOTUS, statistical anomalies are weak evidence (once you allow the infrastructure you cannot prove it strongly enough), affidavits will be mostly dismissed (typically the court will side with local authority vs individuals, and witness accounts with no possible material evidence are limited)

he would say that - he procured the machines himself

hope I'm wrong but no State court will invalidate large amounts of votes on that argument alone - the other things are more systemic and widespread

there are republicans on the taking, Powell is right about that. GA procurement of Dominion machines involves Republicans. This makes the case hard. There should be no electronic voting anywhere.

it does but so far, it hasn't happened

I don't trust the courts so much

@RobertGrulerEsq should clarify next time which cases come from where and what failed, because with all the noise we conflate big stuff with particular cases often lost because of lack of standing. Number of "cases lost" doesn't matter at all, if enough of the relevant issues are won.

If the bulk of the fraud comes from a hack in electronic machines, it will be extremely hard to overturn. Vulnerability of electronic voting should have been addressed before the election. You'd need absolute smoking-gun evidence to have it count.

if she was going to astonish, she's taking her sweet time to do it

that video is full of holes and assumptions

that's why it's high stakes, yes

in theory, the fact that observers were kicked out would invalidate all main-in ballots coming afterwards - no questions asked

in practice, this would be a scandal and I doubt any courts will dare to do it

essentially that is a successful coup and something that should have been foreseen and prevented

allegedly from some of the most populous precincts in a coordinated manner, for which there would be strong evidence (one of Giuliani's 3 cases)

enough to flip the election

but as I said before, it's dubious that the courts will have what it takes to enforce that, regardless how strong the case

it's impossible to find info in this channel with the amount of chatter here

I want you to chat about personal stuff in <#772982351520333824> so I can find facts here

potentially preparing a transition https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013907859845121

I'm in London as well and I don't think things are any saner around here currently

we have a buffoon PM who claims to be a libertarian and is actually the most authoritarian PM in history

and a Pakistani mayor who loathes Britain

Bojo (Boris Johnson)

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

yea he's a fraud

not going to derail this from <#771201221145919499> though (Robert nearly starting)

ttyl

Genghis Khan hates everything British @james j

that should be interesting

looking forward to the stream later

what do you guys think will happen in PA?

still a long shot for Trump but better today

implied 5.5%

1 billion traded on Trump bets in Betfair alone - amazing

£1 billion GBP

even with PA still 17 electoral votes short, so GA or MI are still 1 vote short

3 states is a lot

are any of WI, NV or AZ viable?? pretty long long shot

Rob is on btw

odds in betfair up to 6.45%

that's true but the mainstream still has a lot of pull, many people don't follow anything else

we're not at a point that we can just ignore it

my wife mainly reads CNN website

and watches Colbert

it's tough

belief systems can be rational, but people don't just follow rationality to create beliefs

I'm a computer scientist with a PhD in machine learning and causal inference

belief systems devoid of emotion exist, they are just not human

centrism today is a fallacy, there are conflicting underlying models that cannot be compared like for like

also improving in Betfair, to 6.5% or so

I'm honestly sorry for the guy, not that he was ever a nice dude but he should be being taken care of in his later years

I'm not sure I'd want to live to 100 if I've totally lost my mind by 78

these guys are very very old. Trump is surprisingly energetic for 74, but in 2024 he'll be 78, maybe too late then

most of Trump's family is considerably to his left

honestly, I don't think any of the Trump family would fit the bill - much less Tucker Carlson

probably Lyin' Ted would be a second choice

not sold on Rand Paul either

if not Trump, maybe Ted Cruz... who else decent is there. Don Jr? looks a bit weak to me tbh.

Ivanka would not take the constant onslaught of the left like her dad... nor would do Don Jr

it's true that a lot of people watch news for consolation, not for information

the truth can be repulsive to people and doesn't drive as many clicks

not as many as those who are looking for a therapeutic outlook, and also the client is now the lobbyist more than the freeloading masses who pay less and less

the combination of people looking to find support more than news, and the money being more on tycoons with agendas than on paying customers - this has completely ruined the press business model. Incentives are not the best for a functioning press.

stream on today?

k guys

I think 16 would be legal age for drinking or owning guns without restrictions if you can decide to neuter yourself at that age

guys why is there so much non-election stuff in this channel?

I take it you didn't watch the interview in full

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg1J9k4tyAI

Universal healthcare, or any significant social welfare, is unworkable with open borders. The US has so far open borders internally, and recently it has had pretty porous borders to the South.

we do have the same problem in the UK

which is one of the reasons why the NHS is garbage despite all the propaganda

then you'd be defunding all these other fed programmes, right?

so what is happening with all that money currently