People don't just go rogue all the time.

it's like political suicide

It's happened a fair few times in the US's history.

Oh yeah... We had some last election for both sides.

It very much would be political suicide in my opinion.

Faithless electors from a half % margin state with likely fraud though?

Wasn't the idea.

Was the idea that electors were the election itself.

Which isn't the case, pretty sure. They have some definite ties, but enjoining someone from certifying the results does not impact electors.

It **could** depending on state law.

But they're sort of two separate entities is my point.

Which is why I brought up faithless electors as an example.

Hope that clears things up.

Ah I see.

@Maw I saw an article that explained the PA State Judge Ruling also blocked the certification of down ballot races/measures. So, now the question is could the AG appeal only part of the ruling (the down ballot measures) and let the ruling stand for the presidential race?

@TaLoN132 Apparently your question will be covered today, so no worries!

Cool... No worries... Just curiosities.

Thanks!

Well curiosities will be sated.

(Hopefully!)

what do you guys think will happen in PA?

@Maw So, do you get to celebrate 2 Thanksgivings each year? I'm awfully curious today.

I think that today's show might indicate that they realize that they are unlikely to get anywhere in the courts - especially now that the election has been certified and the slate of electors set. This is a Hail Mary from the opposite end zone. Rudy pleaded with the legislature to invalidate the certified popular vote, but this might not even be possible: https://www.justsecurity.org/73274/no-state-legislatures-cannot-overrule-the-popular-vote/

I don't know anything about this site, but the argument seemed sound to me. It says that since Congress has designated that Electors are to be chosen on 11/3 this year, a state's legislature would have had to have voted on 11/3 on the slate of electors in lieu of a popular vote. Once the state legislature determined the manner it was to be decided - popular vote - the ship has sailed.

Election certification is the trigger to contest elections in the court, not the end.

@DrSammyD Is that true for all states? I know that GA this year, Trump couldn't request a recount until after the certification. In 2000, all of the court cases delayed FL's certification. Once SCOTUS gave the Equal Protection ruling against changing the counting method as part of a selective recount, FL certified immediately and there was talk at the time that the legal hurdle was higher post certification, but that was a long time ago and I am too lazy to look it up.

@TaLoN132 Sure do.

@Maw Nice... October and November... Perks!

Most of my close family is in Canada, or Texas/Washington.

so, is this just withheld until a judge can preside over the matter?

As it says in the news: It's enjoined until discovery.

Sort of controversial.

I imagine it's going to be expedited.

still a long shot for Trump but better today

@nachik, you just advanced to level 5!

implied 5.5%

For me it's one of those situations where I don't want to hold my breath, but I can't help it.

1 billion traded on Trump bets in Betfair alone - amazing

£1 billion GBP

So Trump got a pass interference call?