Check out Milgram's torture experiment as well, if that isnt known. @TheParamedicGamer @True

The two compliment each other somewhat.

Uncomfortable insight into human nature.

But hey, if youre a paramedic, I am preaching to the choir. 😄

good for you. Hit me up if I can help.

Hippocratic oath §2, take care of the family

I remember a couple in Africa....

does this mean it comes down to 8000 votes in Nevada?

anyone?

Agreed!

Quality preformance!

Finally some intelligent words.

@FaithJoy Stress is only good if it leads to resolution. Undirected and unproducive stress leads to neurosis.

The question to ask is; "is this problem solvable"

Much like the election. 😄

Your ballots or your stress, @Zuluzeit ?

Great! I am looking through my library for a handbook on how to speak Mandarin.

@LrnAshly According to the inventors of the term "democracy" it is dependant on free press, rule of law, free exchange of ideas, free speech and free universities. I cant think of a single country in the occident with that in place.

I agree

Very hard institutions to maintain.

Its why your guys added the right to bear arms. As a last resort.

They had read their Sokrates.

written 50 years after the brits withdrew.

(2 generations)

@LrnAshly Seen from across the water, america seems to be founded on the idea of independant humans. The right to defend yourself seems essential to that.

A booth quote on election night. 😄

sassy

william booth. Shot Licoln, and being an actor, jumped to the stage and shouted "sic semper tyrannis"

Such always to Tyrants

John, I mean. John Booth

william? where did that come from...

@Zuluzeit You can argue that your gun legislation is stricter than ours in some ways, and we are a socialist state.

@LrnAshly I had no idea. That is nice.

@TheParamedicGamer I know.

peoples republic of...

I disagree. The easiest way to control a population is to create a belief system.

And then produce some moral hegemony. Where some thoughts are considered morally lesser.

Correct.

And applied social terror.

Much more efficient than physical control.

Psychiatrist here,

nice to meet you.

@TheParamedicGamer well, thank you, sir.

yes and no. History shows us that social pressure is the most powerful force.

The outliers will be your eccentric weirdo here and there.

99% conform

every society breaks down when the individuals comprising it are no longer loyal to the entity. If they have guns it will be more violent.

though....300 000 dead Tuutsies might disagree....

Really? But if you vote you validate a system. What if you are against it?

well, then here is my problem: a political party is in essence an anti-democratic alliance. It blocks representative democracy in that every candidate up for election has to do a lot of back-scratching and mental prostitution to rise to the top of a rather corrupt ladder, yes?

The alternative would be that I could vote for RobertGrulerEsq

With morals anf achievments.

But I cant. Political alliances called parties are blocking me.

we have 10. Makes no difference.

10 parties all run by career politicians. Professional sweet talkers.

well, the point of a representative democracy was to elect the best people you have. America has 200 living Nobel prize winners and 80 CMH recipients. These two old incontinent fools is the best America has? Come on! 😄

hardly comparable in my opinion

how about not being loyal to a party, but a principle?

Honesty.

Justice

for instance.

I havent voted since the 90ies. 😄

@Zuluzeit were I american I would like to vote for Gruler or Kyle Carpenter.

Id like to vote for someone a better man than me.

And I dont grab anyone by the p''''' or smell the hair of young girls. So...were I american, I could not vote.

@Zuluzeit so, a broken system

You had one hero running in this election. A combat medic with a purple heart. Remember her name?

@Maw yet, Canada ended up with Catros son as PM. 😄

Handsome he is.

Anyways. Its 0340 here people. Long day tomorrow. I thank you for a civilized discussion.

Gentlemen, and lady.

you too.

its also a climate where everything resembling shady gets over-expressed.

@TheParamedicGamer Morning.

@shaunm109 Agreed, america is in a pickle. The problem for the rest of the world, is that if she takes structural damage now, we will all have to learn Mandarin.

UK independence for instance, needs a strong US to work.

So this election has more geopolitical consequences than any prior election post 1945.

well, I believe the president is a figure head at this point

its the administration that matters.

and the Biden-administration favors China.

Good for the economy, bad for independence.

correct. It would favor american oligarcs.

means trade war with china, but less influence from that side.

At the moment EU is being bought by Bejing. I would rather be owned by Washington than by Xi.

That was an awesome day.

I had rule Britannia on repeat for 10 hrs. 😄

we are off topic now. Wrong election.

but its relevant. The geopolitical consequences of the 2020 election I think is massive.

well, they seem more invested in Chinese relations.

And the Chinese influencers in the US seems to support them.

Now, nothing wrong with this. A Chinese bank wants to make money, just like any other bank. But I dont like their efficiency culture.

And their social control routines are horrible.

I expect this to be implemented gradually across the world as they start owning stuff.

I want my Aston Martin to be built by a jolly englishman who enjoys going to the pub. Not a 22 year old zombie who works till his hands bleed.

In some regards, yes.

remember the balance of order and freedom in a society. The chinese prefer order.

That has its flip side in the amount of control you need.

Freedom has its flipside too. Many people use their freedoms to hurt other humans. Crimerate often climbs.