!agree

!gamer

Didn't ps3 have this "move" version?

Where you could play frisbee and such

Not many that I remember

It wasn't really popular at all

I only really remember one game

And that was basically the equivalent of Wii

With golfing, fighting and tic tac toe

VR is currently in its early years of development, in a few years time VR might have developed into being less of a novelty and more of a competetive playing style against Computers and Consoles.

Should we talk about how Germany couldn't have won world war 2?

Do you mean they could've won WW2?

Their chances were close to zero in winning, they were facing off against three of the biggest world powers at the time.

The problem in that is; how do you capitulate Britain?

Let's compare navies

Germanys navy was small and they couldn't take losses.

Britains navy was the worlds greatest and could replace their boats.

Now Air Forces

The Luftwaffe could've "broken" the RAF for quite some time

But surrender would still not be.

I'm not talking 42/43

I'm talking pre-barbarossa

That is the highest chance they had at beating the British air force

And they wouldn't have "beat" it

Only paralyzed it for a bit before it got back up ready for a fight

That's what i was also saying Yathy

Germany'd need a proper Navy for an invasion of Britain like Sealion

A navy which they did not have

Sealion wouldn't succeed

It'd be sunk to the bottom of the English Channel.

There was of course the "sentiment" among some German high staff that the British would surrender

Rudolf Hess even went there personally, which was very idiotic

Some people also say victory on the Eastern Front would've been possible.

What do you think about the "Victory on the Eastern front"?

Lend Lease or not, the Germans wouldn't have won

What took the Germans down was Soviet blood.

Western jeeps, fair.

Western tanks, few and far between

Western planes were looked down upon since the ones they got from, f.ex the British were outdated and had already seen battle.

They had problems with most British planes since they were either too little, too late, old or just battle-worn

Few in russian forces

I was talking about British planes

Not American ones

And there were like how many T-34s being produced a month?

Of course you're not impressed

They were built crude and in numbers

One is not supposed to impress or scare you

One is meant to be destroyed in battle

Now, hundreds of them, that is supposed to impress or scare you.

The T-34 wasn't pretty, it wasn't modern.

It was what the Soviets needed.

"Best tank of WW2"

Goes into which nation you are

The T-34 was the best for the Soviets because of their mass assault doctrine

Tankses like the Panther were the best for the Germans because of their fuel shortages

Of course they did, they were over engineered

They suffered breakdowns

Hard to repair

But when one worked

It really made the enemy shake.

If I was a Soviet tanker in 1944/45 and I saw a Tiger II for the first time, I'd get out of my tank and run.

How many Centurions were used to **any** effectivity in WW2?

Maybe the best **design**.

But not the best in operation.

In many regards, yes

I don't care what fuel it ran on

As long as it ran.

That's not very moderate

@Bookworm Also, source?

>Non british allied tank

British tanks were too little too late.

The Cromwell was put into use in 44

The British tank divisions mostly relied on American tanks that were shipped over

Some with minor improvements

I'm talking about the M3 Lee and M3 Grant

And yes; I realized you were British at the very start when you talked about Britain and the British as **we**

Britains best time in creating tankses was in WW1

In WW2 they were behind until they came up with the idea for the MBT

Which they did not master.

Matilda 1 or 2?

2 then

The 2 saw most use I believe

And I am quite fond of the II, which most people just refer to as Matilda

@Stefan Payne Go away Wehraboo

The Matilda I is quite a forgotten tank

The Panzer I was supposed to be a training tank

I believe the Panzer II was also supposed to be a training tank, very unsure

Every crap tank wasn't a training tank

Look at Japan and Italy

I'll have to say the Germans were smart in using Czech tankses

They used them until they became obsolete

Then they made the Hetzer from them

>lack of numbers

**Centurion**

The Pershing was a good idea, you'll have to admit.

The American industry could make a lot of Shermans

But also make heavies that could rival the famous German tanks

So it was a good idea to begin the production of it

Also, the Pershing did prove its worth in Korea