@Ikea-Chan every crap tank was suspose to be the training tank ... ok ? leave the cruiser tanks alone they were training tanks alright

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheChieftainWoT

Every crap tank wasn't a training tank

Look at Japan and Italy

ok ok so he's a fookin rebellious RoI bugger who went to the US

I still like him

I'll have to say the Germans were smart in using Czech tankses

They used them until they became obsolete

dammit out of limoncello

Then they made the Hetzer from them

What good reason was there to not implement the Pershing?

The Shermans were having tons of issues with subpar armor and penetration.

lack of numbers lack of improvement over what could be produced in far superior numbers and lack of logistic trains behind it

Which would have been ameliorated if production wasn't shelved.

>lack of numbers

basically, if you listen to The Chieftan

**Centurion**

The chieftain

no, the pershing came in too late for it to be produced in decent numbers before being deployed

Dont watch him but I watch MHV and TIK

The Pershing was a good idea, you'll have to admit.

The American industry could make a lot of Shermans

But also make heavies that could rival the famous German tanks

So it was a good idea to begin the production of it

The Pershing came in too late *because it was deliberately shelved*.

Also, the Pershing did prove its worth in Korea

The design was ready to go by 42-43.

The Pershings out matched the Soviet T-34-85

the pershing was shelved because it was too late and could not be fielded in sufficient numbers WITH ITS LOGISTIC TRAIN to be of any significant improvement over what else could be produced

I'll have to say, the German TDs were quite scary

dunno, never met any

have you?

No, but in the perspective of WW2

dunno, not a historian, and wasnt in WW2, where you?

seriously I'd listen to the chieftan, he goes over the pershing myth. also tank destroyers

he's also someone who has studied the era, and is a current tanker ...

I'm gonna continue.

German TDs varied a lot

thats fine but I'm still out of booze unless I hit the whisky which I want to keep for NY

and the port

Some were barely produced, Dicker Max and Jagdtiger