The Pershings out matched the Soviet T-34-85

I'll have to say, the German TDs were quite scary

No, but in the perspective of WW2

I'm gonna continue.

German TDs varied a lot

Some were barely produced, Dicker Max and Jagdtiger

Some were mass produced, Stug III/IV and Hetzer

But most of them did their job well

Some of the bigger ones like Jagdtigers and Jagdpanthers faced many of the same problems that their "parent" tanks did

While Stug III/IVs and Hetzers did not since they were built on tankses with generally few problems

There were also prototypes like the Dicker Max that there were only 2 prototypea of

But a Dicker Max **did** see combat

And I believe when the Soviets caught it, it had 50 kills.

Then there were the Ferdinands and Elefants

Which were so bad

That they could catch fire when going up a hill

The weight was just too great

Especially on the Elefant since the Elefant is litteraly only a Ferdinand with extra armor and a machine gun

The big TDs, or generally any big German tankses did bad in the end of the war

The biggest problems were allied fighter-bombers

And their logistical problems

The Hetzer was not a waste of time.

The Hetzer was very cost-effective

TDs dissapeared because of hand held AT weaponry and there not being so many tanks to shoot at.

That as well.

But if another big conflict came into play

And a lot of tanks would be used

The TDs would be right around the corner, being built by every great power

Do you now?

Tell me a conventional way to take out an enemy tank 10 KMs away.

I'll simulate it.

Shot down by enemy ground to air missile.

Continue.

10 KMs away from a tank, and you don't think there will be multiple ground to air missiles and enemy jets on you?

We're talking modern war against a great power

Air to ground missile you say?

Intercepted by a Missile Defense program

I know I am being unrealistic

But I'm talking cost-effectivenes

Since that F-35 costs a lot, doesn't it?

A Warthog would be reasonable

Tanks are actually a bit old fashioned, I'd say

They'll just get taken out by hand held AT

Or any plane

I mean real AT

Not the ones you'll have to flank to use

I think we're on different subjects

I'm talking about the need of tanks

And how it's a bit old fashioned

I know that

I'd say they might soon be

Especially when you look at how much a single tank might cost

I'm not advocating for people to give up

on their tanks

But that they're changing roles

Easier* to kill

They're getting harder to protect

Yes, an Abrams is hard to kill

But it costs a fuck ton for it to be that.

It's not the old "add 30 more milimeters of steel!"

It's become **very** intricate

I know Tech is better

But is it worth it in the long run?

Putting millions into a new defensive measure that'll only defend a tank for another shell

Yes, but in the middle of combat

How much time does it take?

For it to be on full defense yet again

If it takes even 15 seconds, wish goodbye because that's another shell

And making it automatic just increases the price again

Enemy tank being annoying?

Air strike

!rank

Very quick

Very good defense.

But if a tank costs a lot to make

You can't field enough of them to be very effective

I was just talking about prices of tanks

Like, how much does an Abrams cost?

An Abrams as I can find out

Costs millions

A lot of money

How much is that worth in some really good air to ground missiles?

I wouldn't bring an Abrams to close quarters

In the fear of losing it

I'd instead use Humvees

The Abrams could sit on a hill a good amount back and support

Fantastic

Probably a lot

Think about being that one officer

In the Air Force

That had one of his F-22s shot down

Welp, the 678 million dollar air craft got shot down, I guess it's time to eat some lead.

How much does a modern russian jet cost?

I need to know this

And how much for an F-35?

Jesus Christ these are expensive

True

But the sheer cost of some of these vehicles is amazing

Please no

How much does a Standard issue American helmet cost?