I'm gay

traps are gay

I am gay for the gay

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no shit sherlock

lol

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traps arnt actually gay, we have scientific study on it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ph8Cae07bo

if traps are gay... what are mimics?

Aussie will not be happy about the 2nd rule

yeah how will he respond to the rules loo

he will probably have a problem with the 4th one too

though i dont think spam rules apply in shitpost or memes

rules are mostly there to maintain order

i'm pretty hands off as far as moderation goes

I mean, this isn't dankula's server

dankula moderates a lot?

i never imagined him to do that

it's mostly filled with scat porn

yep i heard of that

it's not anymore

i think there is still a revolutionary feeling within the right still after having gotten trump elected they still feel anti-establishment and as if there side is still backed into a corner by the liberals and progressives who are trying to undermine their win. the background of the civil war is older than charlettesvile which is why theres vast groups of people who appeal to an emotional ideology on both sides who wont accept any change within politics. this makes the right stronger in resistance to the left than if the left was coming up after years of complacency by the right and then having their anti-establishment revolution.

So lots of squabble about Cassio growing up in yorktown heights moving there when 5 instead of the bronx, gong to ivy league schools, etc.. it all just being another smoke and mirrors candidate, thoughts?

news to me but im not surprized, the progressives are bourgeoisie have had been bourgeoisie for 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/29/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-the-intersectional-remix-of-latinx-roots-and-socialist-politics/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c2dcf4497fa8

do you think the establishment left might start turing on the progressives to supress a fracture within the dnc?

could be

wasent there something about cassio promoting a beauty company or something?

she said something like where about she got her nail polish and then ended up they sold out

yeah

but not sure she did it on purpose

sure but it does point to whos listening to her

people who buy things?

sure

but yeah I don't think socialists realize how much capitalism enables

go ask people of Venezuela if they can go out and buy products like that

The Americans who promote socialism are probably wealthy enough such that they don't experience deprivation.

they are mostly from middle class familys

i like how theres more debate in news than here 😛

Insert photo of Bernie driving his Lexus here.

bernie is upper class now

but any politician is

what are you talkinga bout

hes the 1%

i think that the progressives beleive what they say but dont actually represent the people they say they stand for

not that i think the liberals do either

an honest liberal is someone who stands for the middle class 😛

How do you help the middle class?

depends on if its threatened, a while after the middle class was established they basicly went from defending its existance and the freedoms it should have (which were graciously extended to everyone) is trying to get rid of the middle class by rising themselves up to the upper class at any oppertunity

liberalism is the ideology of the birth of capitalism and the middle class

using democracy to create an elite that the economic system can create rather than the established nobility

then themselves often rising to that elite while keeping the middle class in existance in order to put a boundry between them and the lower class though it also helps that a lot of different industrys developt that rely on a middle class to exist

this is why i tend to think the right is the only side that has groups of people that actually support the lower class and poor. the left has a scattered few but dont have any organization because of the liberal and progressive domination. the right, specificly the new right is mostly people from the bottom and middle of society directing politicians for their own interest while the left pits different groups of people who may or may not have different populations which are disproporationally lower or poor classes against eachother via identity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905247/amp/Girl-Bronx-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-actually-grew-wealthy-Westchester-County.html?__twitter_impression=true

making more of a wave lately

Thats poorly done hatchet job imo

well it is the daily mail

@JDM_WAAAT It's not so much that the rules are bad, it's that there *are* rules at all.

k

why should I care

rules exist so discord doesn't nuke this server

"these rules violate my NAP"

You could've at least led with the "I don't care what your opinion is" approach instead of giving us the illusion of the contrary

So I wanted to propose a compromise to satisfy both sides on the denying of cakes for a gay wedding. The bakery must sell cakes to anyone, but can deny creating a cake that he believes would violate his religion. IE: no rainbows or topping with 2 grooms

I mean

I'm just saying give me a reason besides "rules are bad"

why does it feel like i keep seeing half a debate here? 😛

@kilo (twitter-imkilo) isn't that literally what we have in reality already?

I'm pretty sure that's actually what Masterpiece Cake Shop was about

@Deleted User @Rils great. So we all agree that Masterpiece should have just sold a white tiered cake with flowers and that way everyone is happy.

From what I'm reading, they never got that far.

`The facts of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission are simple. Charlie Craig and David Mullins visited the Masterpiece bakery and looked through a photo album of custom-designed cakes. When the owner, Jack Phillips, greeted them, they told him (according to his own testimony) that they “wanted a wedding cake for ‘our wedding.’” Phillips told them that he did not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. They left immediately without discussing any details of their proposed wedding cake.`

http://prospect.org/article/press-wrong-on-masterpiece-cakeshop-baker-lost

Yeah, but they didn't get that far

You can't sell simple white cakes for weddings, you see

Wedding cakes have to be customised for the occasion

He could've made a fairly generic wedding cake, they're usually not specifically decorated aside from the topper.

A generic wedding cake. I'm sorry, that sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Wedding cakes aren't generic, they really have to be painstakingly designed

It's takes between 3 to 6 hours

By generic I mean subscribing to the standard designs

Most wedding cakes are not indicative of the genders of the couple save for the topper.

Yeah, but it goes against his religion to make cakes for weddings he disagrees with, so that's a problem too

You know what would have been better? If they just went to a different fucking Baker

I agree

Instead it looks like they wanted to have it out

@Deleted User I'm trying to find a way for the gay couple and the Baker to leave happy. "I don't want to do a gay wedding cake, but I will do a generic wedding cake and you do with it what you will" and then they say "no thanks"

anyone wanna debate about gaddafi?

They never got that far though, so we're purely in a hypothetical scenario.

But that's the thing, he doesn't want to accomodate the wedding because it goes against his religion @kilo (twitter-imkilo)

In any manner

It still would've been up to the gay couple to not file a civil rights greivance

@Deleted User I understand, but allowing a business to discriminate on their religion and next a business will refuse to serve black people

And I think a large number of gay couples would've just gone on with their lives and found another shop.

I'm sure that's thing already

A business that refuses to serve black people is actively cutting off business, it may try to do it, but it won't last.

If one business refuses to serve black people, they lose revenue. And, more people refuse to come because the owners are racist. Free market will ensure that the place goes bankrupt

It's the beauty of capitalism

Before the Jim Crow laws, businesses were not interested in discrimination based on race because it harmed their profits.

^^yeep!