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2018-07-01 19:50:12 UTC

I'm gay

2018-07-01 19:50:15 UTC

traps are gay

2018-07-01 19:50:18 UTC

I am gay for the gay

2018-07-01 19:50:35 UTC

no images or embedded links are allowed in this chat, fyi

2018-07-01 19:50:46 UTC

no shit sherlock

2018-07-01 19:50:50 UTC

lol

2018-07-01 19:51:04 UTC

mod abuse

2018-07-01 20:00:42 UTC

traps arnt actually gay, we have scientific study on it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ph8Cae07bo

2018-07-01 20:11:49 UTC

if traps are gay... what are mimics?

2018-07-01 20:12:43 UTC

Aussie will not be happy about the 2nd rule

2018-07-01 20:13:48 UTC

yeah how will he respond to the rules loo

2018-07-01 20:17:05 UTC

he will probably have a problem with the 4th one too

2018-07-01 20:17:17 UTC

though i dont think spam rules apply in shitpost or memes

2018-07-01 20:22:49 UTC

rules are mostly there to maintain order

2018-07-01 20:23:06 UTC

i'm pretty hands off as far as moderation goes

2018-07-01 20:23:13 UTC

I mean, this isn't dankula's server

2018-07-01 20:26:14 UTC

dankula moderates a lot?

2018-07-01 20:26:24 UTC

i never imagined him to do that

2018-07-01 20:26:41 UTC

it's mostly filled with scat porn

2018-07-01 20:27:21 UTC

yep i heard of that

2018-07-01 20:30:41 UTC

it's not anymore

2018-07-01 20:51:59 UTC

i think there is still a revolutionary feeling within the right still after having gotten trump elected they still feel anti-establishment and as if there side is still backed into a corner by the liberals and progressives who are trying to undermine their win. the background of the civil war is older than charlettesvile which is why theres vast groups of people who appeal to an emotional ideology on both sides who wont accept any change within politics. this makes the right stronger in resistance to the left than if the left was coming up after years of complacency by the right and then having their anti-establishment revolution.

2018-07-01 20:59:57 UTC

So lots of squabble about Cassio growing up in yorktown heights moving there when 5 instead of the bronx, gong to ivy league schools, etc.. it all just being another smoke and mirrors candidate, thoughts?

2018-07-01 21:05:53 UTC

news to me but im not surprized, the progressives are bourgeoisie have had been bourgeoisie for 20 years

2018-07-01 21:15:02 UTC

do you think the establishment left might start turing on the progressives to supress a fracture within the dnc?

2018-07-01 21:15:18 UTC

could be

2018-07-01 21:15:50 UTC

wasent there something about cassio promoting a beauty company or something?

2018-07-01 21:16:27 UTC

she said something like where about she got her nail polish and then ended up they sold out

2018-07-01 21:16:34 UTC

yeah

2018-07-01 21:16:46 UTC

but not sure she did it on purpose

2018-07-01 21:16:59 UTC

sure but it does point to whos listening to her

2018-07-01 21:17:05 UTC

people who buy things?

2018-07-01 21:17:06 UTC

sure

2018-07-01 21:17:53 UTC

but yeah I don't think socialists realize how much capitalism enables

2018-07-01 21:18:17 UTC

go ask people of Venezuela if they can go out and buy products like that

2018-07-01 21:18:35 UTC

The Americans who promote socialism are probably wealthy enough such that they don't experience deprivation.

2018-07-01 21:18:53 UTC

they are mostly from middle class familys

2018-07-01 21:19:56 UTC

i like how theres more debate in news than here πŸ˜›

2018-07-01 21:19:57 UTC

Insert photo of Bernie driving his Lexus here.

2018-07-01 21:20:10 UTC

bernie is upper class now

2018-07-01 21:20:17 UTC

but any politician is

2018-07-01 21:20:17 UTC

what are you talkinga bout

2018-07-01 21:20:19 UTC

hes the 1%

2018-07-01 21:22:07 UTC

i think that the progressives beleive what they say but dont actually represent the people they say they stand for

2018-07-01 21:22:34 UTC

not that i think the liberals do either

2018-07-01 21:22:53 UTC

an honest liberal is someone who stands for the middle class πŸ˜›

2018-07-01 21:23:16 UTC

How do you help the middle class?

2018-07-01 21:24:38 UTC

depends on if its threatened, a while after the middle class was established they basicly went from defending its existance and the freedoms it should have (which were graciously extended to everyone) is trying to get rid of the middle class by rising themselves up to the upper class at any oppertunity

2018-07-01 21:25:14 UTC

liberalism is the ideology of the birth of capitalism and the middle class

2018-07-01 21:25:45 UTC

using democracy to create an elite that the economic system can create rather than the established nobility

2018-07-01 21:26:54 UTC

then themselves often rising to that elite while keeping the middle class in existance in order to put a boundry between them and the lower class though it also helps that a lot of different industrys developt that rely on a middle class to exist

2018-07-01 21:30:09 UTC

this is why i tend to think the right is the only side that has groups of people that actually support the lower class and poor. the left has a scattered few but dont have any organization because of the liberal and progressive domination. the right, specificly the new right is mostly people from the bottom and middle of society directing politicians for their own interest while the left pits different groups of people who may or may not have different populations which are disproporationally lower or poor classes against eachother via identity

2018-07-01 21:42:19 UTC

making more of a wave lately

2018-07-01 21:57:13 UTC

Thats poorly done hatchet job imo

2018-07-01 21:57:55 UTC

well it is the daily mail

2018-07-01 22:28:07 UTC

@JDM_WAAAT It's not so much that the rules are bad, it's that there *are* rules at all.

2018-07-01 22:29:09 UTC

k

2018-07-01 22:29:12 UTC

why should I care

2018-07-01 22:29:26 UTC

rules exist so discord doesn't nuke this server

2018-07-01 22:31:19 UTC

"these rules violate my NAP"

2018-07-01 22:31:52 UTC

You could've at least led with the "I don't care what your opinion is" approach instead of giving us the illusion of the contrary

2018-07-01 23:22:17 UTC

So I wanted to propose a compromise to satisfy both sides on the denying of cakes for a gay wedding. The bakery must sell cakes to anyone, but can deny creating a cake that he believes would violate his religion. IE: no rainbows or topping with 2 grooms

2018-07-01 23:22:42 UTC

I mean

2018-07-01 23:22:53 UTC

I'm just saying give me a reason besides "rules are bad"

2018-07-01 23:47:16 UTC

why does it feel like i keep seeing half a debate here? πŸ˜›

2018-07-01 23:56:17 UTC

@kilo (twitter-imkilo) isn't that literally what we have in reality already?

2018-07-01 23:56:49 UTC

I'm pretty sure that's actually what Masterpiece Cake Shop was about

2018-07-02 00:01:22 UTC

@Deleted User @Rils great. So we all agree that Masterpiece should have just sold a white tiered cake with flowers and that way everyone is happy.

2018-07-02 00:01:35 UTC

From what I'm reading, they never got that far.

2018-07-02 00:01:50 UTC

`The facts of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission are simple. Charlie Craig and David Mullins visited the Masterpiece bakery and looked through a photo album of custom-designed cakes. When the owner, Jack Phillips, greeted them, they told him (according to his own testimony) that they β€œwanted a wedding cake for β€˜our wedding.’” Phillips told them that he did not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. They left immediately without discussing any details of their proposed wedding cake.`

2018-07-02 00:02:02 UTC

Yeah, but they didn't get that far

2018-07-02 00:02:20 UTC

You can't sell simple white cakes for weddings, you see

2018-07-02 00:02:42 UTC

Wedding cakes have to be customised for the occasion

2018-07-02 00:02:54 UTC

He could've made a fairly generic wedding cake, they're usually not specifically decorated aside from the topper.

2018-07-02 00:03:27 UTC

A generic wedding cake. I'm sorry, that sounds like an oxymoron to me.

2018-07-02 00:04:00 UTC

Wedding cakes aren't generic, they really have to be painstakingly designed

2018-07-02 00:04:19 UTC

It's takes between 3 to 6 hours

2018-07-02 00:04:28 UTC

By generic I mean subscribing to the standard designs

2018-07-02 00:04:57 UTC

Most wedding cakes are not indicative of the genders of the couple save for the topper.

2018-07-02 00:05:33 UTC

Yeah, but it goes against his religion to make cakes for weddings he disagrees with, so that's a problem too

2018-07-02 00:06:00 UTC

You know what would have been better? If they just went to a different fucking Baker

2018-07-02 00:06:56 UTC

I agree

2018-07-02 00:07:11 UTC

Instead it looks like they wanted to have it out

2018-07-02 00:08:17 UTC

@Deleted User I'm trying to find a way for the gay couple and the Baker to leave happy. "I don't want to do a gay wedding cake, but I will do a generic wedding cake and you do with it what you will" and then they say "no thanks"

2018-07-02 00:08:42 UTC

anyone wanna debate about gaddafi?

2018-07-02 00:08:50 UTC

They never got that far though, so we're purely in a hypothetical scenario.

2018-07-02 00:08:59 UTC

But that's the thing, he doesn't want to accomodate the wedding because it goes against his religion @kilo (twitter-imkilo)

2018-07-02 00:09:06 UTC

In any manner

2018-07-02 00:09:10 UTC

It still would've been up to the gay couple to not file a civil rights greivance

2018-07-02 00:09:56 UTC

@Deleted User I understand, but allowing a business to discriminate on their religion and next a business will refuse to serve black people

2018-07-02 00:10:09 UTC

And I think a large number of gay couples would've just gone on with their lives and found another shop.

2018-07-02 00:10:19 UTC

I'm sure that's thing already

2018-07-02 00:10:57 UTC

A business that refuses to serve black people is actively cutting off business, it may try to do it, but it won't last.

2018-07-02 00:11:32 UTC

If one business refuses to serve black people, they lose revenue. And, more people refuse to come because the owners are racist. Free market will ensure that the place goes bankrupt

2018-07-02 00:11:53 UTC

It's the beauty of capitalism

2018-07-02 00:11:58 UTC

Before the Jim Crow laws, businesses were not interested in discrimination based on race because it harmed their profits.

2018-07-02 00:12:41 UTC

^^yeep!

2018-07-02 00:14:19 UTC

Sowell's most recent book talks about it at length.

2018-07-02 00:15:17 UTC

@Deleted User @Rils have neither of you heard of the restaurant that refused to serve black people in 1964, and the supreme court ruled using the "commerce clause" that the federal government had the authority to compel a business to not discriminate because it would affect interstate travel?

2018-07-02 00:15:48 UTC

Could you be more specific?

2018-07-02 00:16:05 UTC

I gotta look that up. Maybe it was due to it's location

2018-07-02 00:16:16 UTC

1964 would've been at the tail end of Jim Crow

2018-07-02 00:17:30 UTC

As a sidebar, I disagree with that assessment, racial discrimination has nothing to do with interstate commerce and shouldn't be under the purview of the commerce clause.

2018-07-02 00:18:41 UTC

@Deleted User @Rils wait. Seriously you've never heard of this? Am I that old?

2018-07-02 00:19:00 UTC

I'm indian, sorry

2018-07-02 00:19:02 UTC

I haven't heard about this vague event.

2018-07-02 00:19:03 UTC

I'm 38

2018-07-02 00:19:10 UTC

I'm 17....

2018-07-02 00:19:40 UTC

Katzenbach v. McClung?

2018-07-02 00:20:39 UTC

The restaurant acted specifically to push back against government overreach.

2018-07-02 00:21:41 UTC

That one, also Heart of Atlanta Hotel vs United States

2018-07-02 00:21:42 UTC

let it be know the first real debate was actually this server and its new authoritarian ruleset πŸ˜›

2018-07-02 00:21:50 UTC

I kid btw

2018-07-02 00:23:09 UTC

The commerce clause was intended to keep the Federal government from becoming involved in local commerce, but the courts have stretched it so far that almost everything is interstate commerce and so the Federal government has authority.

2018-07-02 00:23:17 UTC

Okay, so quick back story from an "old man" about why you no longer see "whites only" signs in the United states , as soon as I get done playing with my dog that seems to be wanting my attention

2018-07-02 00:23:26 UTC

well the internet kinda made everything interstate commerce

2018-07-02 00:23:49 UTC

not to mention most transactions are handled via credit card terminals which means most data is proably transfered over state lines

2018-07-02 00:24:08 UTC

so where do you actually draw the line between local and interstate transaction now?

2018-07-02 00:24:22 UTC

(this is not an argument one way or another, just bringing up points)

2018-07-02 00:24:40 UTC

If my business only pays with cash and only accepts cash, would I be exempt?

2018-07-02 00:25:43 UTC

I would say so, but im no lawyer

2018-07-02 00:26:08 UTC

im just saying the lines between intrastate and interstate commerce has significally blurred (imo) since the advent of the internet and digital payment technologies

2018-07-02 02:02:24 UTC

Prepping for a discussion;
race and crime: cultural Vs biological.

(Is the disproportionate representation of crime due to cultural/socioeconomic factors, or is it a biological difference; that blacks are just de-facto more violent?)

(Not gonna mention which side I'm intending to argue, as I want information from all sides.)

As is mentioned in "Theory of Race" by Wilson (1995), the discussion is "mired in an unproductive mix of controversy and silence" - and it's proving difficult to find sources that are up to date and relevant. Any helpful links would be much appreciated, if anyone has any to hand. (@tag me)

2018-07-02 02:17:18 UTC

Nurture > nature

2018-07-02 02:18:03 UTC

nurture = nature

2018-07-02 02:20:00 UTC

morals are taught, not inherited

2018-07-02 02:22:26 UTC

how we are nurtured effects our genetic growth and our ability to produce offspring, a minor example of that can be found here http://ccf.org/reproductiveresearchcenter/docs/agradoc356.pdf the effect of how you live your life on the life you bring into the world is noticible even on a genetic level given large populations and long scales of time this becomes the nature as culture and envirnments effect selection processes within the species which produces ofspring with different traits than those found outside the group that is breeding most often with itself than any outside group.

2018-07-02 02:22:59 UTC

_Is this guy asking us to do his research for him_

2018-07-02 02:25:07 UTC

that would be amusing

2018-07-02 02:25:40 UTC

would be funny if i somehow got roped into doing that for someone to do a public debate

2018-07-02 02:29:52 UTC

starting injectin falso info here and there πŸ˜ƒ

2018-07-02 02:39:50 UTC

LMAO no, I've been doing my own research too, just figured this might be a good place to find people who may already have some links to hand which could help me. Of course I'll be going through everything, as well as what I have so far.

2018-07-02 02:42:22 UTC

my hypothosis is that you cannot simply take an average zygote from any person on earth and render an average person from them. their genetics has some effect on who they will become, as their treatment from conception to atleast the age of 25

2018-07-02 02:43:17 UTC

longterm i think theres a relationship between genetics and envirnment that ultimately effects the diversion of species

2018-07-02 02:47:43 UTC

Problem I'm having is the muddied waters - my compatriot keeps bringing up the race:IQ correlation (which he asserts is biological) and then the IQ:crime correlation to support his hypothesis that it's entirely biological.

Also states that race:crime is biological; he asserts this on the basis that on average, blacks have more testosterone and a higher fight-or-flight reflex... but since things like your posture, can chance your testosterone (and other brain chemicals), there's something to be said for a cultural/social reason for this too. Plus none of the studies I have found so far measure across cultures for the same races.

For example, the higher fight-or-flight reflex would be understandable for people who are constantly aware of external threats. #MudHutsVsDoubleGlazing

2018-07-02 02:50:37 UTC

I mean, my main argument is "why does it matter".

Whether it's biological or cultural, you can't make policy around it.. you shouldn't, for example, make immigration policy that discriminates blacks because they have a higher propensity for violence.. that would be illiberal. But I really wanna drill down into the subject with him. Curiosity is peaked

2018-07-02 02:52:24 UTC

im not sure how they messure testosterone averages between people but the only way i think there could be established a connection is by messuring the genes responcible for testosterone production because SO many factors go into testosterone levels in your native resting conditions that it can change after a few hours

2018-07-02 02:53:01 UTC

The only problem I have is, Why are they obsessed with one race? If IQ is the problem, why not focus on high IQ people?

2018-07-02 02:53:13 UTC

And not just the huawhite race?

2018-07-02 02:53:34 UTC

My problem is that any result is meaningless realy

2018-07-02 02:53:46 UTC

their argument is usually that iq and agression are conversely proportionate to eachother

2018-07-02 02:53:48 UTC

You cant draw any policy based on this research

2018-07-02 02:54:05 UTC

Because IQ is just a bi-line he's making to support his predetermined conclusion, imo. @shaving

And yeah @zutt , that's exactly what I said above

2018-07-02 02:54:21 UTC

LOL shaving autocorrect

2018-07-02 02:55:00 UTC

Like i dont mind them researching this

2018-07-02 02:55:17 UTC

But you have to judge person based on his character

2018-07-02 02:55:21 UTC

Not race

2018-07-02 02:55:58 UTC

Yeah; but what's the point.

I'm with you there, but I still wanna have the discussion with him. Not just about why he thinks it's important, but also why he believes it to be true. Just out of curiosity more than anything.

2018-07-02 02:56:28 UTC

when making national policys your almost always judging people by average traits relitive to group you can file them into

2018-07-02 02:57:16 UTC

Yes but that is drawn on cultural grounds not racial grounds

2018-07-02 02:59:01 UTC

As for why is alt right so obsessedwith it is simple

2018-07-02 02:59:47 UTC

Well, I'm dead centre on this; There's no doubt looking at the figures that blacks commit more violent crime per capita than whites, in most countries. I don't believe it's entirely biological nor entirely cultural (though I think culture probably plays a bigger role; social disorganization theory)

I think it's worth examining the root cause, but as I mentioned in OP, the discussion is kinda taboo in the first place, which I think accounts for the "these kinds of people" arguments gaining traction

2018-07-02 02:59:58 UTC

If you say that the problems with 3rd world migrants are due to their cultures that implies they can be taught adapt

2018-07-02 03:00:33 UTC

If you say its natural you can say they are unable to coexist in one nation

2018-07-02 03:00:42 UTC

And expell them all out

2018-07-02 03:01:12 UTC

That's true, and both are bad outcomes. But refusing to acknowledge the facts as a problem, is also... problematic.

2018-07-02 03:01:22 UTC

Agreed

2018-07-02 03:01:58 UTC

You know, the people talking about blacks being shot more by police, but ignoring the fact that blacks commit more violent crime (requiring police intervention)

2018-07-02 03:02:18 UTC

Well its complicated

2018-07-02 03:02:57 UTC

In this case their skin calour serves as indicator of culture in policeman subconsciousnes

2018-07-02 03:03:23 UTC

Fucking Shaving

2018-07-02 03:04:45 UTC

See I don't know if that's necessarily the case. I mean, we all know implicit bias tests are BS, we have no way to measure how much of someone's subconscious is influencing their behaviour or treatment if another.

If you look at an average police encounter with anyone, their attitude of normally based on the context of their reason for being there.

If they're walking down the street, they'll be calmer than if they're responding to an active shooter situation.

2018-07-02 03:04:47 UTC

I believe these issues will not trouble our species not much longer tho

2018-07-02 03:05:36 UTC

I think within 50 years programing of newborns genom will become comonplace

2018-07-02 03:06:19 UTC

And wouldent surprise me if the parent will be able to just choose the looks of their child

2018-07-02 03:07:50 UTC

More interracial breeding I say

2018-07-02 03:08:04 UTC

Yeah, it's crazy... I hope it never comes to that.

I'm not even sure I'm on board with genetic modification to eliminate birth defects/medixal conditions.

Hell, im not really a fan of genetic modification of corn, lol.

2018-07-02 03:08:22 UTC

Corn has been genetically modified for years lol

2018-07-02 03:08:27 UTC

tacos are the best food.. debate me

2018-07-02 03:08:40 UTC

You forgot enchiladas.

Debate over

2018-07-02 03:08:52 UTC

tacoenchiladas are the best food

2018-07-02 03:08:57 UTC

^

2018-07-02 03:09:01 UTC

Nah

2018-07-02 03:09:05 UTC

Lad

2018-07-02 03:09:05 UTC

the best food is

2018-07-02 03:09:09 UTC

Chimichangas

2018-07-02 03:09:35 UTC

You realize that ppl were carrying primitive genetic modification for centuries right ?

2018-07-02 03:09:35 UTC

Thanks @g@Graylan | gray00 , I'll present that in the debate

2018-07-02 03:09:43 UTC

hahaha

2018-07-02 03:09:51 UTC

Sam harris would be proud

2018-07-02 03:10:12 UTC

just make up new words and win minds

2018-07-02 03:10:13 UTC

fuck it

2018-07-02 03:10:19 UTC

Haha

2018-07-02 03:10:41 UTC

Every single food has been modified lol

2018-07-02 03:10:44 UTC

Speaking of Harris.. where do you line up on objective vs subjective morality? :p or is that too heavy right now..?

2018-07-02 03:10:50 UTC

Even fucking bananas

2018-07-02 03:11:04 UTC

@NotQuiteHuman There is objective *and* subjective morality

2018-07-02 03:11:09 UTC

@NotQuiteHuman oh speaking about that. fuck jordan peterson now haha

2018-07-02 03:11:09 UTC

it depends on the issue

2018-07-02 03:11:29 UTC

He said some dumb shit with Matt

2018-07-02 03:11:32 UTC

im tired of him now

2018-07-02 03:11:56 UTC

Okayyy shiv, Give me an example of something that is objectively moral?

2018-07-02 03:12:09 UTC

Or immoral

2018-07-02 03:12:16 UTC

this debate is retarded

2018-07-02 03:12:22 UTC

like.. i dunno

2018-07-02 03:12:29 UTC

matt destroyed him i think

2018-07-02 03:13:40 UTC

I hear noam chomsky established that there is objective morality

2018-07-02 03:13:49 UTC

Albert Fish killed and ate over 30 children and didn't understand why people had a beef with it... did he just not understand morality? Or was his moral standard different?

2018-07-02 03:16:01 UTC

@NotQuiteHuman say we are living inside a multiverse with infinate number of possible outcomes and realities

2018-07-02 03:16:25 UTC

that would make things a bit more tricky. objective may not be universal

2018-07-02 03:16:29 UTC

in this case

2018-07-02 03:18:37 UTC

Here's my opinion. Morality changes according to context.

2018-07-02 03:18:47 UTC

I don't even know how objective or subjective morality can be proven, in any way.. anyone acting "immorally" might have a different moral standard, or they may not understand the objectively true immorality of their actions. Is there even any chance of an consensus?

2018-07-02 03:19:00 UTC

For example, Killing itself is neither moral or immoral

2018-07-02 03:19:10 UTC

It is moral or immoral depending on the context

2018-07-02 03:19:26 UTC

another way of thinking

2018-07-02 03:19:38 UTC

killing oneself brings a wave of hurt into the universe

2018-07-02 03:19:39 UTC

Killing an innocent person- immoral.
Killing a rapist in self defense - moral

2018-07-02 03:19:42 UTC

via connections you made

2018-07-02 03:19:54 UTC

Even killing a rapist they have a mom

2018-07-02 03:19:58 UTC

And?

2018-07-02 03:20:09 UTC

I said *self defense*

2018-07-02 03:20:10 UTC

so it can be justified but still bringing immoral injustice

2018-07-02 03:20:14 UTC

@Deleted User I think I see where you're going. Like, putting a dog out it's misery if it's twitching in gmthe road after being hit, is moral. Compared to hitting it with a baseball bat for fun.

2018-07-02 03:20:22 UTC

by pain and suffering of innocent family

2018-07-02 03:20:52 UTC

like the butterful effect

2018-07-02 03:20:57 UTC

I said Self defense, Grayman. What you are saying can be applied to the concept of revenge

2018-07-02 03:21:00 UTC

or justice

2018-07-02 03:21:05 UTC

The action itself isn't immoral nor moral; rather the intent of the perpertrator

2018-07-02 03:21:16 UTC

Well, not exactly

2018-07-02 03:21:22 UTC

I said context, not intent

2018-07-02 03:21:27 UTC

Or the consequence?

2018-07-02 03:21:31 UTC

Think about this

2018-07-02 03:21:46 UTC

If there's a white supremacist walking down the road

2018-07-02 03:21:50 UTC

he has a shotgun

2018-07-02 03:22:03 UTC

He sees a black man raping a child in an alley

2018-07-02 03:22:08 UTC

and shoots the black man

2018-07-02 03:22:26 UTC

Now, a black man being shot by a white supremacist, is immoral

2018-07-02 03:22:46 UTC

but, a rapist being killed to defend his victim, is moral

2018-07-02 03:23:02 UTC

So intent then? Did he shoot him because he as black? Or to defend the rape victim?

2018-07-02 03:23:30 UTC

Exactly, considerng intent pollutes the context

2018-07-02 03:23:39 UTC

The context should matter, on it's own

2018-07-02 03:23:46 UTC

and that's it

2018-07-02 03:23:53 UTC

Yeah, I see what you're saying

2018-07-02 03:24:14 UTC

But if people disagree that randomly killing blacks with no reason is immoral, how do you square that with objective morality?

2018-07-02 03:24:25 UTC

You and I might agree that unprovoked murder is immoral...

2018-07-02 03:24:30 UTC

Someone else might disagree

2018-07-02 03:24:50 UTC

Again, context. I think I side with objective morality more

2018-07-02 03:25:04 UTC

Let's dial it back a notch

2018-07-02 03:25:14 UTC

A racist man says Nigger on a stream

2018-07-02 03:25:26 UTC

He says it because he's reading huckleberry Finn

2018-07-02 03:25:42 UTC

holy fuck

2018-07-02 03:25:59 UTC

u guys gotta watch that person son vid

2018-07-02 03:26:02 UTC

Now, if you consider intent, you'd have to impose what *you* think, on that man

2018-07-02 03:26:04 UTC

Your nuance is showing πŸ™ˆ

2018-07-02 03:26:19 UTC

"AI when it runs it doesn't have rules"

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