Message from @Ikea-Chan
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But surrender would still not be.
germany had one chance to win .. .they fucked that chance up when they started WW2
also, re: RAF, only one group was nearly broken, group 11/12 IIRC , three or four other groups were not broken and could have reinforced the broken group. and we were outproducing the germans in aircraft in 42/43 time frame
so, just had to survive the battle of britain which from what I've read was not unlikely
and keep the SLOCs open
I'm not talking 42/43
I'm talking pre-barbarossa
meaning, '40 and '41 germany had no chance
and by '42, that chance had taken a jump to hyperspace
That is the highest chance they had at beating the British air force
and they didnt have that chance to begin with
And they wouldn't have "beat" it
yes, group 11 got clobbered badly
Only paralyzed it for a bit before it got back up ready for a fight
Even if Germany beat the RAF, it would be hard to invade the UK
That's what i was also saying Yathy
but there were other reserves that would have been able to have acted as reserves
Germany'd need a proper Navy for an invasion of Britain like Sealion
A navy which they did not have
sealion has been gamed so mnay times I suspect the scenario drives some people to tears, only a very very few times did sealion succeed
It'd be sunk to the bottom of the English Channel.
sealion was absolutely mind blowingly stupid
There was of course the "sentiment" among some German high staff that the British would surrender
deliver more divisions to england than the allies did during the normandly landings, across a contested english channel with the RN at full strength, and only having life jackets for for the first wave.
and, using rhine barges
Rudolf Hess even went there personally, which was very idiotic
RHINE BARGES
I've seen modern rhine barges, their deck is so low to the river that a wake caused by a destroyer would have sunk the fucking t hings
rhine barges from the 40s?
Some people also say victory on the Eastern Front would've been possible.
deathtraps
What do you think about the "Victory on the Eastern front"?
9/10 sealion shortens the war for the allies and hastens the defeat of the germans
I think any scenario where the allies can aid russia ends in failure for the germans
germans penetrated to far too quickly in the initial assault, got bogged down by winter, then made an absolute monster of themselves by butchering so many that they were guarenteed their "internal lines" through occupied territories were contested
then t hey hit russian reserves backed by lease lend hitting and isolated their battle groups
lend lease even
Lend Lease or not, the Germans wouldn't have won
no lend lease the germans MIGHT have
What took the Germans down was Soviet blood.