Message from @Ikea-Chan

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2018-12-26 01:23:35 UTC  

I'm pretty sure any economy would fail when you're being pressured by literally every remaining great power in the world.

2018-12-26 01:23:58 UTC  

Heck, a unified front like that would probably wreck the modern day American economy, let alone a wartime Germany's.

2018-12-26 01:24:15 UTC  

it was failing before germany started the war

2018-12-26 01:24:31 UTC  

What metrics are you looking at for that assertion?

2018-12-26 01:24:58 UTC  

Should we talk about how Germany couldn't have won world war 2?

2018-12-26 01:25:21 UTC  

An easy thing to say in a world where they didn't.

2018-12-26 01:26:44 UTC  

Do you mean they could've won WW2?

2018-12-26 01:27:21 UTC  

Could they have won the World War II that happened? I believe the chances were slim, but possible.

2018-12-26 01:27:37 UTC  

Could they have won variant, hypothetical World War II's? Absolutely.

2018-12-26 01:29:42 UTC  

Their chances were close to zero in winning, they were facing off against three of the biggest world powers at the time.

2018-12-26 01:31:37 UTC  

If they managed to take Britain (unlikely, but so was the capitulation of France), and the colonies took that opportunity to muster independence instead of maintaining a united front, that leaves an isolated Eastern Front. If Russia fell quickly enough, then America could easily look at the situation and decide it's not worth it anymore.

2018-12-26 01:31:46 UTC  

The key is not fighting all the world powers at the same time.

2018-12-26 01:32:07 UTC  

The problem in that is; how do you capitulate Britain?

2018-12-26 01:32:21 UTC  

Churchill talks a fair game.

2018-12-26 01:32:29 UTC  

But so did the French.

2018-12-26 01:32:38 UTC  

Let's compare navies

2018-12-26 01:32:44 UTC  

With a light enough hand and the right propaganda, they could have kept the majority of the populace in line.

2018-12-26 01:33:33 UTC  

Germanys navy was small and they couldn't take losses.

2018-12-26 01:33:55 UTC  

Britains navy was the worlds greatest and could replace their boats.

2018-12-26 01:35:05 UTC  

Now Air Forces

2018-12-26 01:35:20 UTC  

The Luftwaffe could've "broken" the RAF for quite some time

2018-12-26 01:35:48 UTC  

But surrender would still not be.

2018-12-26 01:38:18 UTC  

germany had one chance to win .. .they fucked that chance up when they started WW2

2018-12-26 01:39:25 UTC  

also, re: RAF, only one group was nearly broken, group 11/12 IIRC , three or four other groups were not broken and could have reinforced the broken group. and we were outproducing the germans in aircraft in 42/43 time frame

2018-12-26 01:39:43 UTC  

so, just had to survive the battle of britain which from what I've read was not unlikely

2018-12-26 01:39:50 UTC  

and keep the SLOCs open

2018-12-26 01:40:16 UTC  

I'm not talking 42/43

2018-12-26 01:40:25 UTC  

I'm talking pre-barbarossa

2018-12-26 01:40:35 UTC  

meaning, '40 and '41 germany had no chance

2018-12-26 01:40:48 UTC  

and by '42, that chance had taken a jump to hyperspace

2018-12-26 01:40:55 UTC  

That is the highest chance they had at beating the British air force

2018-12-26 01:41:05 UTC  

and they didnt have that chance to begin with

2018-12-26 01:41:08 UTC  

And they wouldn't have "beat" it

2018-12-26 01:41:16 UTC  

yes, group 11 got clobbered badly

2018-12-26 01:41:23 UTC  

Only paralyzed it for a bit before it got back up ready for a fight

2018-12-26 01:41:24 UTC  

Even if Germany beat the RAF, it would be hard to invade the UK

2018-12-26 01:41:38 UTC  

That's what i was also saying Yathy

2018-12-26 01:41:39 UTC  

but there were other reserves that would have been able to have acted as reserves

2018-12-26 01:41:57 UTC  

Germany'd need a proper Navy for an invasion of Britain like Sealion

2018-12-26 01:42:12 UTC  

A navy which they did not have

2018-12-26 01:42:21 UTC  

sealion has been gamed so mnay times I suspect the scenario drives some people to tears, only a very very few times did sealion succeed