How is labeling races as degenerate “acknowledging uncomfortable truths”

Like wtf

To be fair, both of u were jumping all over the place...

I mean just now

(Even tho it hasn’t been going on that long with just the 2 ik)

Anyway, if u want to say something just go ahead lol

And even if that’s a thing, why does this exactly matter? (excluding average differences)

I mean even if that is a thing we are still really close biologically considering we can all procreate (properly anyway), but honestly I don’t really care provided we treat people equally regardless

Yep

Honestly wasn’t gonna go anywhere from there, so yeah

If anything the proud boys are right wing, also i find liberal to be a pointless term here honestly since the left and right have definitions of the word

meanwhile in Australia liberal refers to the right wing party lol

I mean they bleed into each other a bit

What do u mean by the metaphysical meaning??

The problem is that that’s super vague, not everything has to have some metaphysical meaning

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My probably is that nothing your saying actually requires religion, u can build up a similar system without it

Okay, what is ur scope on religion

My point is simply that secular countries can still operate with good laws and morals (as we see for the most part today)

I feel like if you take any point in time morals and law would seem relatively “static”, also secular moral philosophy exists (and there are always lots of new moral problems especially to do with tech these days that let us go forward)

People don’t agree on things no matter what they believe , like even within religions people disagree and cause a lot of shit...

Well bringing it back to the original question, people are secular since they don’t see evidence for god, mostly because most “evidences” for god are from personal experience which results in people in religious circles to be the few who are exposed to anything that even be questionly be proofs

Also, I just looked up Aquinas again, and his 5 ways or whatever are mostly just answers we don’t know yet, which doesn’t really prove anything

errrr, ur brain is responsible for your consciousness...

We have more complex brains... we also have no evidence to suggest that our consciousness is not just rooted in the brain

See again none of these require religion, guilt doesn’t, power doesn’t and same with the rest

Also you how the hell would u go about saying that the spirit does what we think the brain does, the spirit is not detectable or found in any way whereas the brain is and can bee seen to be responsible for how we perceive reality...

Those are a result of the brain tho...

It’s no problem at all honestly

Well I used to, conversation is always good @JoeyJoestar1337

Or cause religion

That is the worst gottem I have ever seen lol

Y’all need to read the ADL’s actual article before saying anything... to quote their literal fucking page “ *Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.* “

They literally point out that people falsely promote it as something bad...

I agree it’s harmless, but if a group used it in a said way and you said they tried to use it in that said way, and also point out how that’s not how most people use it, I don’t get what’s wrong with that

Calling them hate symbols was dumb I agree, but if u go to their page, they write that they are basically documenting symbols used by white supremicist groups among others

Yeah but if they are mgtow they ain’t gonna be looking for that

Just want to point out that average stats on large groups of people doesn’t dictate how well different people and culture mix, similar stats can be brought up about left handed people..., provided values are close, non of this stuff really matters to much to allow a nation to stay unified

Maybe show something more than just opinion then?

@Benjamin Henry please find some research if u want to convince June, otherwise ur gonna get nowhere

I mean, that photo could be captioned with either party and it would still make sense...

jesus, to give an analogy if you went into someones home, beated the shit out of them and built your house on top of theirs but later acknowledge (like most countries do today) that going around beating the shit out of each other isn't a good way to run the world, you could at least help the person in your house get back on their feet. the real question is just seeing what is the best way of doing that is

@Jokerfaic i would argue that it applies to any group that we treated like shit just for existing, there's obviously different things that can be done for different groups

Not really the case because there have been instances of large scale discrimination up until like maybe a generation ago @Dubdogelmo (+ there is no “bar” where the people fought in the first place, it was someone’s house if we go with the analogy), my personal solutions to this wouldn’t last any more than like 1 to 2 generations anyway (so basically the people directly and indirectly affected by being born of the affected people, tho I mean the reservations arnt a bad idea ontop of that as well)

Well we already have the reservations, but my main focus is on what other things could have been done, it’s not just about giving people fucking land

I’m not talking about how people bitch to much or about that land, I’ll just give you an idea of what I would do, so for people directly affected who as a result have dropped into poverty should receive montary compensation, then their kids (so now the second generation) should get education benefits. Then slap on a few reservations (tho this only applies to indigenous inhabitants) and that’s it

Trying to solve division with a race war is such a shit idea

Even if u did that, people don’t just divide over racial lines. Either way tho commiting genocide due to characteristics that individuals can’t change is still a shit idea

why exactly do you think race itself is important? if a different race came along with the exact same values, culture etc, (yes ik that generally people all have differences there, but just humor the question lol), would their skin colour still matter??

(Well my message was more just toward whicc who’s point was on race)

(Fair enough, I was gonna just say ignore me if ur point wasn’t on me)

Would you like to be killed for your skin colour? How about your eye colour? You get the idea, although averages for those sort of groups can be made, those do not necessarily determine the choices individuals make

jesus, imagine thinking that the brutal slaughter of hundreds to thousands to millions of people for the simple reason of having certain genetics or being born in a certain place is a good thing. I have no doubt that you wouldn't like that to happen to you, your friends and your family and everyone you know for the simple "crime" of being born somewhere, so why the hell would you want and justify that to happen to someone else? At the very best genocide ignores what individuals do and condemns them based off the actions of different people and at worst is horrendously punishing people for doing nothing. Morality is a 2 way street - creating hypocritical rules gives everyone else the same right to do make you suffer if you make them. You could also make an economic argument these days but hell, I would love to see you justify why you think genocide isn't a bad idea

i need to sleep, but all I'll say is that the world isn't falling apart like you think

well news can be pretty sensationalist, + since the worlds pretty big there's always shit but for the most part, not society shattering events

Even if gamma ray exposure and solar cycles caused more climate change than climate change, this does not mean climate change isn’t a thing

And after a quick search, solar energy and climate was kinda related up until like the 60’s and from then the temps continued to rise while solar energy getting to earth has decreased

mm, my point was simply that climate change is more linked with our greenhouse gas emissions than the variance of solar energy captured

Literally the whole outcome is “addictions = bad” which is something we know already lol

To be fair as well, renewable power production prices have just about gotten to the point where they are almost cheaper than our coal plants so either way it will work out

Well there is a genetic component to being gay etc so the history part makes sense

Tho saying that, not all lesbians look masculine

All the lesbians ik arnt really like that in my experience, it’s pretty much just like the “all white men believe X”, that’s not to say that there arnt a bunch of radical people like that tho

I love how literally the only thing I’m saying is “not all queer people” lol, but I still feel I need to repeat it

Ik this a sorta dumb question to ask but do u know many lgbt people personally??

Meanwhile in Aus lol

Well in Aus it’s 1-2% tax based off income

Well climate change causes increased extremes in weather pattern which would result in higher chances of fire but yeah they arnt like exactly related

Well isreali air (I think that’s what they are called?) have countermeasures on their commercial airliners

I love how Australia isn’t even there lol

The thing is tho that is isn’t unnatural, we have seen homosexual action in many animals

mm, a similar thing happens today some gay/lesbian couples (+ the exception of sheep I believe for being bi since they form long term same sec relations). But my point was if you were using nature as an example of why homosexual/bi behaviour doesn’t happen ur just wrong basically which is what calling something unnatural basically is

Your forgetting that a lot of that went up significantly to this point

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But that was what a staffer supported, not what Bernie Sanders said...

And the post from the campaign website was also posted before Venezuela went to complete shit, not to mention the article was only referring to Venezuela with regards to wealth difference anyway

well venezuela collapsed mainly due to relying on one export to fund everything and because of overspending as you mentioned, it would have been possible to have maintained if they didn't do those things but im not gonna argue for socialism cause that's dumb. My point is that I don't think bernie supports actual socialism tho I will admit that the staffer thing is worrying however that sort of thing doesn't seem to be something that bernie himself supports

@Doomgazer I think it was something mentioned in the video

so looking through the collapse it did seem to mainly be mismanagement, however mismanagement of their oil money where they could have spent better I think is still a contributing factor when the price fell, conversely other countries just managed it better & generally could more readily export it. As for the bernie thing, im gonna look into it a bit more now since I actually know little about his history, i guess I could say im pretty close to a social democrat position so for me it does seem the best outcome compared to other candidates and in the US its unlike he would be able to introduce actual socialism even if he is for that.

I can't really find anything of him praising the soviet union itself, got any quotes or something?

Tho today our economy is heavily influenced by China and neither side of our political parties seem to be doing much atm

If ur arguing against climate change itself there then u are argument against the people with the PHD’s, tho somehow more people listen to greta than a lot of scientists even if the whole idea of her being a public figure in the first place is fucking dumb

You know as well as I do that I mean anthropogenic climate change, but the effects that we cause are more a problem because of the dramatic rate of change we are causing it compared to natural climate change

That would be a good point if both global warming and climate change were not common terms used to describe the impact humans cause on climate. But since they are common in most cases you don’t really need to clarify because people for the most part know what you are talking about - and if someone responds “the climates always changing” or something similar it is usually going to be someone arguing in response that human climate change isn’t a thing/is negligible

I would compare it too if someone said “evolution is true” and someone responded “yeah things change”, I’m arguing that people use what is commonly understood - not that in debates and discussions we can’t discuss and find out what definitions each of us are using and go from there

If you use common language when making a simple comment, I don’t see the problem (and that’s what I was doing, tho granted politics ain’t that simple)... redefining after other comments are made I have no problem with either because as you said not everyone has the same language and terms

Well that was kinda my point, that I wasn’t trying to be dishonest... but yeah we ain’t exactly in disagreement, common language is useful until it is not

The problem is more with certain groups rather than LGBT people themselves, I think conflating “the church of woke” with LGBT people en mass dishonest but at the same time is probably the reason acceptance is down.

My point is that LGBT groups arnt all LGBT people, it doesn’t help that generally conservative environments tend to be negative towards them

Just anthropomorphic climate change denial, nothing new

What a crazy fact there

well the best accessible source is that nasa data, its on their official website (I really hope this doesnt go the "nasa is lying" route lol)

here's a link to the page: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/ (it has links to other relavent sea data, global temp and other data from that page) @Jerm70 also here's a link to a report Shell did (Exxon did a similar one) in 1988 which we only know exists because it got leaked, basically they came to the conclusion that anthropomoprhic climate change existed but they hid the file: http://www.climatefiles.com/shell/1988-shell-report-greenhouse/

being alarmist is dumb, but denying science is dumber

but to fully answer your question, as far as we can tell we arn't gonna go extinct from climate change, but its consequences will have negative impacts on us @TheGhostAgent

also you do realise that that event caused a mass extinction right? @TheGhostAgent

okay, i didn't realise that you were talking about a cold snap, thought you were generically going to be talking about the warming at the Cretaceous, Jurassic period boundary time

but I think the cold snap is besides the point, the link between C02 and warming is pretty well established and if there is process that can reverse it great! but this isn't really a point against anthropomorphic climate change

I wouldn't consider myself an alarmist so I'm not going to defend a position like that... but you don't have to reject something to know that it exists even if we arn't going to do much about it

(also renewables are becoming actually economical which also helps)