Message from @the1j

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2020-01-29 00:58:57 UTC  

we are

2020-01-29 00:59:06 UTC  

they system appears to "inflate" the wealth of the wealthiest

2020-01-29 00:59:08 UTC  

Only relative to the rich

2020-01-29 00:59:12 UTC  

no

2020-01-29 00:59:19 UTC  

relative to the costs of things

2020-01-29 01:00:22 UTC  

@Eccles Lets take your system and apply it to the population as it is and with the budget you're replacing.

You would only be able to give £57 a week to every adult in the UK. So you'd be taking money from pensioners and from the poorest, including the disabled, and from families to give it to people who don't need it and to rich bois with big earning jobs.

If we include taking away personal allowance then you can give every person £82 a week. And again cutting the poorest pensioners pensions in half, decimating support for the poorest families and the disabled all while technically not removing the whole entitlement system that would exist around disability benefits. Not forgetting of course losing the personal tax allowance will mean that the people who most benefit from this are the richest while the poorest barely get any extra, in fact the poorest will end up worse off for it! because it'll cost them £48 a week to do this meaning that you end up with £34 a week being their real UBI less than not cutting the personal allowance.

It's outcomes like this being why I massively oppose UBI because its taking huge amounts of money from a few million that need it and giving it to tens of millions who don't in the name of fairness.

2020-01-29 01:00:31 UTC  

jesus christ, he's still going on

2020-01-29 01:00:32 UTC  

We're better off than the 80s ... We're DEFINITELY better off than the 70s

2020-01-29 01:00:37 UTC  

we're not

2020-01-29 01:00:39 UTC  

.
Also pretty rich to talk about inflating the rich of the richest when your system would do just that.

2020-01-29 01:01:04 UTC  

I mean... My parents would go weeks without power...

2020-01-29 01:01:23 UTC  

my grandparents had a fucking horse, that's tech-level dependent

2020-01-29 01:01:35 UTC  

No it's not tech

2020-01-29 01:01:55 UTC  

It was money... The gov switched off the power

2020-01-29 01:02:02 UTC  

life expectancy is going down, job security is almost non-existent, you now require 2 working members in a household to make ends meet, house ownership is going down, house size and quality is going down

2020-01-29 01:02:17 UTC  

suicides up, happiness down

2020-01-29 01:02:27 UTC  

fertility rates down

2020-01-29 01:02:33 UTC  

marriage rates down

2020-01-29 01:02:42 UTC  

health of people and the environment down

2020-01-29 01:03:08 UTC  

muhhhgdp is up, though

2020-01-29 01:03:10 UTC  

Your forgetting that a lot of that went up significantly to this point

2020-01-29 01:03:13 UTC  

which is what you're conflating

2020-01-29 01:03:17 UTC  

I honestly think the numbers are being fudged.

2020-01-29 01:03:20 UTC  

Life expectancy and job security are both up

2020-01-29 01:03:36 UTC  

life expectancy is going down, job security is through the fucking floor compared to 50 years ago

2020-01-29 01:04:07 UTC  

You think job security was good in the 70s???

2020-01-29 01:04:09 UTC  

Staying in one job for life shouldn't be normal

2020-01-29 01:04:15 UTC  

it was better than now, wacka

2020-01-29 01:04:20 UTC  

why shouldn't it?

2020-01-29 01:04:21 UTC  

Dude... You mad :p

2020-01-29 01:04:36 UTC  

Because it's uncompetitive to have unfireable people

2020-01-29 01:04:40 UTC  

Its not like there are groups that would find those numbers useful propaganda.

2020-01-29 01:04:44 UTC  

who said unfireable?

2020-01-29 01:04:57 UTC  

the fact is people commonly had jobs for life, and now we have a gig economy

2020-01-29 01:05:05 UTC  

Which is good

2020-01-29 01:05:13 UTC  

Jobs should become more relaxed

2020-01-29 01:05:15 UTC  

if you're retarded maybe

2020-01-29 01:05:20 UTC  

I'd fire half the Civil Service out of spite.

2020-01-29 01:05:26 UTC  

Do it out of need tbh

2020-01-29 01:05:36 UTC  

you can't start a family or commit to buying a house in a gig economy

2020-01-29 01:05:49 UTC  

Its a cancerious tumor @Kunarian