Message from @the1j
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they system appears to "inflate" the wealth of the wealthiest
Only relative to the rich
no
relative to the costs of things
@Eccles Lets take your system and apply it to the population as it is and with the budget you're replacing.
You would only be able to give £57 a week to every adult in the UK. So you'd be taking money from pensioners and from the poorest, including the disabled, and from families to give it to people who don't need it and to rich bois with big earning jobs.
If we include taking away personal allowance then you can give every person £82 a week. And again cutting the poorest pensioners pensions in half, decimating support for the poorest families and the disabled all while technically not removing the whole entitlement system that would exist around disability benefits. Not forgetting of course losing the personal tax allowance will mean that the people who most benefit from this are the richest while the poorest barely get any extra, in fact the poorest will end up worse off for it! because it'll cost them £48 a week to do this meaning that you end up with £34 a week being their real UBI less than not cutting the personal allowance.
It's outcomes like this being why I massively oppose UBI because its taking huge amounts of money from a few million that need it and giving it to tens of millions who don't in the name of fairness.
jesus christ, he's still going on
We're better off than the 80s ... We're DEFINITELY better off than the 70s
we're not
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Also pretty rich to talk about inflating the rich of the richest when your system would do just that.
I mean... My parents would go weeks without power...
my grandparents had a fucking horse, that's tech-level dependent
No it's not tech
It was money... The gov switched off the power
life expectancy is going down, job security is almost non-existent, you now require 2 working members in a household to make ends meet, house ownership is going down, house size and quality is going down
suicides up, happiness down
fertility rates down
marriage rates down
health of people and the environment down
muhhhgdp is up, though
which is what you're conflating
I honestly think the numbers are being fudged.
Life expectancy and job security are both up
life expectancy is going down, job security is through the fucking floor compared to 50 years ago
You think job security was good in the 70s???
Staying in one job for life shouldn't be normal
it was better than now, wacka
why shouldn't it?
Dude... You mad :p
Because it's uncompetitive to have unfireable people
Its not like there are groups that would find those numbers useful propaganda.
who said unfireable?
the fact is people commonly had jobs for life, and now we have a gig economy
Which is good
Jobs should become more relaxed
if you're retarded maybe
I'd fire half the Civil Service out of spite.
Do it out of need tbh
you can't start a family or commit to buying a house in a gig economy