Well bringing it back to the original question, people are secular since they don’t see evidence for god, mostly because most “evidences” for god are from personal experience which results in people in religious circles to be the few who are exposed to anything that even be questionly be proofs

The "evidence" I don't think I communicated effectively is in metaphysics. For people who don't take in metaphysics or whatever that's where religion is to make things easier. I've taken a bunch of my time actually thinking a lot of this stuff through n such.

Metaphysics cannot produce emperical evidence.

A friend of mine showed me some writings by Aquinas

At best, metaphysics is conceptual wordplay.

It's how to express ideas

Just like there's meaning in literature and plays and such

Okay, but that's not evidence for god.

Sure it is because it's all about believing.

Look, there's only one way I'd ever believe in a god. And that's if he was to come up to me and perform a miracle of some sort. Even then, there's a good chance I'd wonder if he wasn't just some alien with sufficiently-advanced technology, a la Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote.

And you don't believe. You have faith. These are different concepts.

Also, I just looked up Aquinas again, and his 5 ways or whatever are mostly just answers we don’t know yet, which doesn’t really prove anything

God of the Gaps.

Faith is apart of believing not the other way around first of all, secondly, why would he have to manifest Himself as a mortal being to *you* specifically in such manner? Even when the Bible already talks about Jesus. But you don't believe in Him and I get that so going forward. Your very conciousness, and everything around you that you perceive n such. Even if you were to explain the universe around you, all the atoms and the energies there of it doesn't explain for your conciousness.

errrr, ur brain is responsible for your consciousness...

No lol animals have brains too, do they have consciousness? Even if they did how would you know? Assuming the didn't how would you know?

You can't your conscience is specific to your person alone

We have more complex brains... we also have no evidence to suggest that our consciousness is not just rooted in the brain

It isn't just your mind or your minds actions manifested through your physical body. There's something connected with the spirit. It's why we have these expressions of guilt n stuff. The 7 deadly sins even is stuff we all hate to see in people. Because we have an idea of what a "good" person is. But what does it mean what a "good" person is if all that matters is power? And in an individual society like we have today power doesn't mean much. At least not to me. Even in feudal times or whatever. The family exists. Your interaction as an individual with other families exists. What does power matter if you can slaughter the other one when you can achieve better by working together or working independently from eachother and eventually building off of each others work. By any means.

See again none of these require religion, guilt doesn’t, power doesn’t and same with the rest

Also you how the hell would u go about saying that the spirit does what we think the brain does, the spirit is not detectable or found in any way whereas the brain is and can bee seen to be responsible for how we perceive reality...

Near death experiences.

Those are a result of the brain tho...

I'm obviously missing stuff. I'm not some theologian I'm just saying basic stuff on why I even believe in a spirit and God to begin with n stuff. All this is good for me in my personal life and in the beginning all my question was was just why don't people believe in God more. I guess that's just a personal question for personal reasons.

It’s no problem at all honestly

I just believe in God and you don't and your whole world optics isn't the same so there's obviously gonna be conflict.

People don't believe in God because he doesn't reveal himself in any way, shape or form, and he doesn't appear to have a say in earthly matters. So to believe in him is an exercise in pure faith, not reason. And atheists do not typically like to put faith above reason.

Well I used to, conversation is always good @JoeyJoestar1337

It's fine that some people choose to believe in God, but it must be a personal choice that doesn't affect politics.

Then we can all live together happily.

Also, I doubt all people "hate to see the seven deadly sins in people"

Lust? Perfectly accepted even by many Christians
Gluttony? Standard practice also by many Christians
Greed? Semi-standard practice even by many people you wouldn't expect it from
Sloth? Universally standard practice
Wrath? Pretty wide-spread
Envy? All the time, literally all the time, almost everyone experiences it
Pride? Same as envy, maybe even more

If those sins were so bad that we'd all "hate to see it", we'd be constantly hateful

We'd have nothing but hate in our souls

And then I'd have to ask: why is hate not on the list of deadly sins?

Or why is hubris not on the list? After all it's often the precursor to other deadly sins

Hubris goes under Pride.

Maybe, alright

Hate is also a little too generalized. Hate is also necessary, as hate is highly dependent on personal perspective.

I hate pain, but masochists love that shit

And sadists love inflicting it.