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2020-02-22 01:33:06 UTC

Ground rules

1) Consolidate your posts
This channel is intended for slower paced, more thoughtful discussion. Rather than spam several short posts in quick succession, take the time to put all your points together in a longer message. This is especially important if the point you are trying to get across would take up more than two or three shorter posts. **Take away: multiple short posts count as __message spam__.**

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2020-02-22 01:33:12 UTC

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2020-02-22 01:33:23 UTC

2020-02-22 01:33:30 UTC

2020-02-22 01:34:24 UTC

Mods are gay <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2020-02-22 01:36:41 UTC

fucking finally

2020-02-22 01:38:24 UTC

was this due to whatshisface

2020-02-22 01:38:41 UTC

who only posts in this channel

2020-02-22 01:39:10 UTC

yes

2020-02-22 01:42:36 UTC

Biological differences between ethnicities are more responsible for disparities in socioeconomic status then "systemic racism".

2020-02-22 01:42:53 UTC

there i said it

2020-02-22 01:43:43 UTC

Opinions on this?
<https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/02/22/poland-is-cocking-up-migration-in-a-very-european-way>
```It(Poland) took in more workers from outside the eu in 2018 than any other country—nearly five times more than Germany—and is likely to have repeated the trick again in 2019. Nearly 2m Ukrainians have arrived since 2014, pushed by a ropy national economy and a war in the country’s east, and pulled by higher wages in Poland. They are not alone. In the past three years 36,000 Nepalese, 20,000 Indians and 18,000 Bangladeshis have moved to Poland. It is a big shift: Poland, a country of 38m inhabitants, had only 100,000 foreigners of any stripe in 2011. Migration is seen as a political faultline in the eu, with an open west set against a closed east. Yet Poland is, quietly, starting to look more like its peers in western Europe```

2020-02-22 01:43:50 UTC

Personally I think it is the culture of anti-intellectualism in some communities that hold them back nowadays

2020-02-22 01:58:15 UTC

what are mods? I don't think I've seen one on this server

2020-02-22 02:42:56 UTC

if only **THE ONE WHO SHAL NOT BE NAMED** used the Steelman technique this would have never happened

2020-02-22 06:47:11 UTC

@Ethreen42 Simple, Indians and Bangladeshis start killing each other in the streets, and the Poles may just be smart enough to boot them the fuck out when it happens. We shall see. In any case, their political class betrayed the common man by importing subpar people to replace them and drive down wages. I hear the Poles are opposed to LGBT and communism, which makes it more likely that they will also oppose this at some point.

2020-02-22 06:51:30 UTC

@SkeF Conversely, some communities suffer from all of the faux-intellectualism. It's one thing to ba a hillbilly who thinks the Earth is flat (anti-intellectual; smart people are wrong), it's quite another to be a college student who thinks there is no biological sex (faux-intellectual; I am smart, and you are wrong).

2020-02-22 06:51:54 UTC

What's the difference?

2020-02-22 06:52:02 UTC

@Windleaf What is steelman technique?

2020-02-22 06:52:29 UTC

@Jake the Exile Level of pretentiousness, mostly.

2020-02-22 06:53:26 UTC

Both believe they have special knowledge that others don't and they got it from a higher source.

2020-02-22 06:53:42 UTC

In one case, you explicitly reject intellectualism, while in the other, you reject it by substituting it with your own retarded thing (in the case of commies, it's their gender theory bullshit.

2020-02-22 06:54:12 UTC

How is flat-earth not rejecting common sense and replacing it with something else

2020-02-22 06:54:33 UTC

Aren't they exactly the same

2020-02-22 06:54:38 UTC

maybe the flat earth is a bad example

2020-02-22 06:55:38 UTC

but how many academic papers does the Flat earth theory have, and how many does Gender theory and LGBT studies have?

2020-02-22 06:56:29 UTC

Flat earth is not part of academia, destroying your kids with transgenderism is.

2020-02-22 06:56:45 UTC

Maybe that is the real divide here.

2020-02-22 07:21:40 UTC

"I hear the Poles are opposed to LGBT" not as much as they were 20 years ago, I fully expect Poland to be as progressive as Ireland in 40 years if nothing happens @Goddess Tyche

2020-02-22 07:24:12 UTC

Maybe we should ask a Pole about his opinion.

2020-02-22 07:24:31 UTC
2020-02-22 07:27:03 UTC

Poland has one of the lowest native birth rates in Europe

2020-02-22 07:30:03 UTC

Sup

2020-02-22 07:30:48 UTC

I wouldn't be surprised if Poland went the Irish way. That'll happen if cityfolk keep expanding their power.

2020-02-22 07:32:35 UTC

Ooooooohweeeee <#680587502918041623> is baaaack!

2020-02-22 07:33:36 UTC

can you share the source on that @TheCaledonian

2020-02-22 07:34:56 UTC

ohgod it's jakubmarian again here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/680678892809355264/nuts2-fertility-rate.png

2020-02-22 07:35:37 UTC

ahh that looks better

2020-02-22 07:35:49 UTC

"The fertility rate for Poland in 2018 was 1.420 births per woman, a 1.21% increase from 2017. The fertility rate forPoland in 2017 was 1.403 births per woman, a 1.23% increase from 2016"

2020-02-22 07:36:21 UTC

1.4 kids per women

2020-02-22 07:36:37 UTC

Replacement level is 2.1

2020-02-22 07:36:59 UTC

i know

2020-02-22 07:37:26 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/680679527961067520/unknown.png

2020-02-22 07:37:41 UTC

It's not such a major problem since Poland is overwhelmingly polish

2020-02-22 07:38:24 UTC

LGBT acceptance is pretty high among the Polish youth if I remember correctly, most of them want civil unions, though i think there's a slight majority who are opposed to same sex marriage

2020-02-22 07:38:51 UTC

cant remember the exact numbers but it was from a Pew research poll

2020-02-22 07:41:40 UTC

green yes, red no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/680680590718009344/unknown.png

2020-02-22 07:43:01 UTC

something somehting

2020-02-22 07:46:14 UTC

the website says:
'Influencing the acceptance of single-sex relationship is the familiarity with individual people of different orientation. Among the cohort, those who know a gay or a lesbian personally, more than a half (54%) thinks, that they should have the ability to formalise their relationship. Those, who have no homosexuals in their peer group, the proportion is only 24%, while the majority is opposed to formalising of same-sex relationships (71%)'

2020-02-22 07:47:20 UTC

take your western source and shove it

2020-02-22 07:47:36 UTC

better then I thought tbh

2020-02-22 07:48:28 UTC

still though, going from 25% to 35% in 8 years isn't particularly ideal

2020-02-22 07:49:03 UTC

it only took America 20-30 years to go from 35% to 60% in favour of gay marriage

2020-02-22 07:50:07 UTC

we'll see how it goes; the problem is the US being a hugely influential culture in polan

2020-02-22 07:51:37 UTC

and the marxists went from cautious to outspoken if the media i saw are any indication; the progressive media should get fined into oblivion ngl

2020-02-22 07:51:48 UTC

Marriage should be abolished altogether, it's a destructive institution that harms the nuclear family.

2020-02-22 07:52:07 UTC

It leads to high divorce rates

2020-02-22 07:52:11 UTC

^_^

2020-02-22 07:52:24 UTC

Without marriage, people would have more incentive to stay together.

2020-02-22 07:52:40 UTC

Abolish divorce on demand

2020-02-22 07:52:41 UTC

"feminists can't destroy the nuclear family if we do first!"

2020-02-22 07:52:42 UTC

"we'll see how it goes; the problem is the US being a hugely influential culture in polan"
American Globalism and Culture has been pretty bad for western society in almost every metric

2020-02-22 07:52:43 UTC

some western thing here lol

2020-02-22 07:53:25 UTC

America, and it's consequences, have been a disaster for European civilisation around the world

2020-02-22 07:53:30 UTC

exactly eth and you know... we deal with the russ being the same by knowing they're the enemey. but the US is the friend a role model of a free society so WGAP

2020-02-22 07:53:56 UTC

The only good thing America brought was the concept of the free market

2020-02-22 07:54:13 UTC

public opinion of the others takes forever to catch up to reality

2020-02-22 07:54:15 UTC

> The only good thing America brought was the concept of the free market

That was dutch and the free market is gay

2020-02-22 07:54:22 UTC

>free market
>good

2020-02-22 07:54:38 UTC

god damned commies....

2020-02-22 07:54:48 UTC

> never lived in a planned economy
> free market not good

2020-02-22 07:55:04 UTC

rub chilli in your ass boi

2020-02-22 07:55:16 UTC

>thinks being opposed to the free market makes you a communist

2020-02-22 07:56:02 UTC

damn bro I want regulations I must be Marx tbh

2020-02-22 07:56:13 UTC

literal Marx

2020-02-22 07:56:30 UTC

Every economy is a planned economy

2020-02-22 07:56:58 UTC

Free markets dont exist in the real world

2020-02-22 07:57:01 UTC

'we all die so why live' scale of thinking i see

2020-02-22 07:57:17 UTC

wut

2020-02-22 07:57:35 UTC

Free markets do exist. The most commonly known one is the black market.

2020-02-22 07:58:28 UTC

i went to the black market once, i got gypped. fucking niggers

2020-02-22 07:58:31 UTC

Fact: without the black market, North Korea would already have starved to death.

2020-02-22 07:58:35 UTC

I would rather get a liver on-demand from a young Pilipino boy than die waiting for my (((free))) healthcare to get it for me

2020-02-22 08:00:00 UTC

by the silence I assume the commies have all died from an overdose of facts and logic

2020-02-22 08:00:42 UTC

There isn't any commies here lmao

2020-02-22 08:01:10 UTC

I just don't worship GDP

2020-02-22 08:01:53 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/680685677570031629/unknown.png

2020-02-22 08:02:07 UTC

ok commie

2020-02-22 08:02:10 UTC

Wow, literally Marxism

2020-02-22 08:02:17 UTC

"Everyone I dont like is a communist"

2020-02-22 08:02:25 UTC

yes

2020-02-22 08:02:29 UTC

to be clear the american style totalitarian capitalism is as bad as anything totalitarian.
by totalitarian i mean the word in its dictionary sense of 'all-encompassing'

2020-02-22 08:02:37 UTC

Oh, that's funny. I had a note on Xovia that says "bootlicker" <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2020-02-22 08:02:54 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/680685929089728519/unknown.png

2020-02-22 08:03:00 UTC

kek, thankyou

2020-02-22 08:03:33 UTC

>kek

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