Message from @the1j
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I think June is really missing the point here.
So is sargon. How much of this shit just doesn't fly when its pointed at Trump. fucks sake, Carl, double fucking standards
Was that white trash lady running over a girl she "thought looked latino" Trump's fucking fault, now?
Is any number of racially charged crimes against latinos or arabs post 2016 Trump's fault now?
And for the record, no, chairs were not thrown in Nevada
one was picked up, and the dude next to him talked him down
Its almost like Nevada was the site of the most transparant and brazen primary rigging where the speaker literally disregarded the results of an aye/nay vote
@Bad Dragonite What point is June missing? Sargon questions why Sanders doesn't apologize for his supporters' behavior, right?
June may be an airhead in completely missing that Sanders is a fulll blown middle-class-hating commie, but Sargon seems to be a bit hypocritical about his stance on guilt by association.
The fuck have I been saying. Its like cretins have forgotten the first year of this cycle already.
His point is in part to hold them to their own standards, that's the problem with quotes out of context. His point is, why aren't you apologizing for it? Oh dat's right, because you shouldn't have to apologize for what your supporters do. But the thing is, people that he's paid and that still work for him, many people, have admitted to on camera wanting to put Republicans in gulags, various high ranking members of Bernie Sander's campaign, and he has yet to fire or downgrade them, or even acknowledge this is the case. If high ranking members of the Republican party were like, we want to put Democrats in concentration camps, this would be headline news, but apparently not the other way around. This is something that Bernie Sanders has sort of failed to do anything about, and if you have literal communists or nazis working for you, who want to do this, then you're kind of indirectly responsible for it. It's a lot different than a random supporter to have paid campaign staffers openly say these things and to do nothing about it.
He's also done things like praise Venezuela and the soviet union and claim he bases some of his policies on them, which does make his policies somewhat answerable to their failures
"Jurek even suggested the use of prison camps to reeducate Trump supporters. “There’s a reason Joseph Stalin had gulags, right?” he said. “Actually, gulags were a lot better than what the cia has told us that they were. Like, people were actually paid a living wage in gulags; they had conjugal visits in gulags. Gulags were actually meant for, like, reeducation. Greatest way to breaking a … billionaire of their, like, privilege and the idea that they’re superior, go out and break rocks for 12 hours a day. You’re now a working-class person and you’re going to … learn what that means, right?”
***If you get paid for your slave labor as a prisoner, you're neither a slave nor imprisoned.***
other than endorsing people like fidel castro and hugo chavez and so on and so forth, he also has high ranking campaign staffers who still work for his campaign who want to use his campaign to put themselves in positions of power so they can put Republicans in gulags. That's... something he refuses to acknowledge. These people ares till working for him and not fired. Yes if your subordinates directly beneath announce their intentions to do bad things and you continue to enable them, you are partially responsible.
If you have cops in a police department who say, yes I want to kill black people becuase I'm a racist, you should fire them. If you have people who say, yes I want to get in to power to put people in gulags... you fire them. Why not do it, Bernie sanders? Really gets the old noggin joggin.
The difference comes not that some cops are racist or some staffers will be pyschos, but what you do about it. If you do nothing and continue to enable it, that is what speaks volumes
That's before dissecting his batshit insane ideas or other ridiculous rhetoric
And the post from the campaign website was also posted before Venezuela went to complete shit, not to mention the article was only referring to Venezuela with regards to wealth difference anyway
Bernie Sanders has yet to fires the multitude of staff members, multiple one's of which have been shown on camera supporting these things. It would be like if actual nazis were on Trump's campaign team and he left them there. The other issue is that he supported their policies, which invariably lead to the horrible situation Venezuela is in. They were already a Tyrannical government, but it's pretty clear his policies which he claims are based on the same policies as Venezuela would lead to the same problems. It's not as if recreating the exact same circumstances will lead to different results. Venezuela collapsed because the government overspent money trying to pay for ridiculous social programs, which ended up with hyper inflation, much like Weimar germany. And then, of course, the Tyrannical governments became more Tyrannical afterwords, which only makes things worse.
Many of Bernie's policies are based on Venezuela, and he's never acknowledged the inherent failings of many of the ideas. Venezuela also collapsed long before any sanctions were put on them, and no sanctions were put on humanitarian supplies, just to get that out of the way.
Does anyone know what "sexism" June is referring to in her tweet?
well venezuela collapsed mainly due to relying on one export to fund everything and because of overspending as you mentioned, it would have been possible to have maintained if they didn't do those things but im not gonna argue for socialism cause that's dumb. My point is that I don't think bernie supports actual socialism tho I will admit that the staffer thing is worrying however that sort of thing doesn't seem to be something that bernie himself supports
@Doomgazer I think it was something mentioned in the video
Bernie is a Leninist and all of his followers deserve to be jailed and worked to death in the coal mines
Interestingly enough, oil was only a somewhat small fraction of their economy, by comparison to many other oil dependent countries. "Exports accounted for 16.7% of GDP and petroleum products accounted for about 95% of those exports."- Further countries which are oil dependent such as Norway or Saudi Arabia haven't been hit as hard after the oil collapse, so we are left with Venezuela's economic policies, particularly their monetary policies and overspending leading to the problem. For a country with massive amounts of natural resources, it should have been a boon and not a detriment to their economy, even during bad times. In addition to this there is no global recession right now, and it is entirely specific to Venezuela, so it must be, Venezuela. On top of all of this even if 100% of Venezueals imports and exports had been cut off by sanctions, which they have not, they were not that dependent on foreign trade. It sadly was primarily an internal collapse, brought about by their own policies.
As well, Bernie Sanders does support actual socialism, but he tries to mask it or implement it progressively. He praised the soviet union back in the 70's, and has consistently praised tons of socialist countries, as well as various socialist policies. Various socialist countries in history have called themselves social democrats or democratic socialists, including the Bolsheviks that eventually took over Russia so, that isn't really a good indication of anything.
so looking through the collapse it did seem to mainly be mismanagement, however mismanagement of their oil money where they could have spent better I think is still a contributing factor when the price fell, conversely other countries just managed it better & generally could more readily export it. As for the bernie thing, im gonna look into it a bit more now since I actually know little about his history, i guess I could say im pretty close to a social democrat position so for me it does seem the best outcome compared to other candidates and in the US its unlike he would be able to introduce actual socialism even if he is for that.
I can't really find anything of him praising the soviet union itself, got any quotes or something?
The number of Indians left waiting for an American green card skyrocketed in 2019 - Quartz
https://apple.news/AvfFYQtC5SF-hS-3YqwqDVg
This seems interesting to me
It appears the Trump administration approved more green cards than the Obama admin per year. What I’m wondering is, how did the “pending” category dramatically increase from one year to the next? Is it possible that “pending” could mean a better chance of being approved? I’m not very good at this stuff, which is basically why I’m posting it here.
Well the difference between Trump and Bernie is stark and obvious. After Charlottesville Trump denounced White Nationalism while Bernie has never once denounced socialism. He has never reversed his support for communist regimes and never admitted he was wrong for doing so.
"Right-wing citizens could come back [from visiting] with first-hand evidence of all the horrors in Cuba, etc., etc," Sanders wrote dismissively.
"For better or for worse, the Cuban revolution is a very profound and very deep revolution. Much deeper than I had understood," Sanders wrote. "More interesting than their providing their people with free health care, free education, free housing ... is that they are in fact creating a very different value system than the one we are familiar with."
"Also I was impressed by the youth programs that they have..."- LOL WHAT THE FUCK. Imagine coming back and saying you were impressed by the freaking Hitler Youth, just good lord man.