uhh I never really thought to look it up

but I guess I'll do that right now and report back

wait a second

It always just gets back to me aha

@The Lion I'd say it's pretty critical that you have these important discussions before you get married, dude. So many marriages have been torn apart by couples not talking about important issues before marriage such as political worldview, faith, career goals, common morals, 3,5,10,20 year plans together.

No need to be too ideological about it. I don't see a need for one's spouse to be an identitarian or a racialist or whatever - I imagine you'd be fine as long as there is an understanding that:
1. these are the things you believe, it's a morally good position and one that's important to you.
2. you intend to raise your children to be unashamed of their heritage.

okay I just checked Facebook for all the grocery stores I shop at

they just post about food

@godric

!!!

I didn't understand that. Try 'help' for more info.

Sorry apollo

!help

@The Lion Trying to force people into thinking the way you do about things, especially with regards to direct action - "read, this book - watch this video", that stuff often has the opposite effect.

haha is it really that surprising? I don't shop at any of the stores with fancy brand names because they're too expensive

https://theamericansun.com/2019/01/24/dollar-store-reaction/

One of the stores I shop at is employee owned, and the other too are irrelevant small chains that have better things to do than worry about politics

Well I mean she’s interested @Papa Pizzagate

reposting this since the topic is shopping

I’m not forcing her here, it’s just I don’t really know how to explain traditional values to a woman.

At least not in detail

@Jacob It is to me. Even local chains with 3 stores usually have posters up with the usual garbage on it. I mostly go to local butcher shops and bakeries these days.

Sometimes I miss ben and jerrys

oh well I guess it depends where you are

in Seattle there's a gay flag in every window

@Jacob that’s really sad lol

shit, there was even a smoke shop with a "we refuse fascism bla bla bla" sign

I'm in Eastern Washington, which is red, though

so that might be why the local chains don't bother

I work next to a hair dresser with a HUGE sign that says "proudly LGBT owned"

@The Lion frame it more like relationship goals. "Wouldn't it be great if we get to the point when we have children, that you don't have to work. You could stay home with the kids and take care of the home... We could have you know, an Irish setter or something, a property with a few acres, maybe some veggies and a little herb garden, we could even raise bees."

If she is already interested such ideas would probably appeal to her

Do you live in a blue part of Ohio?

that might be why

Beekeeping does seem pretty cool.

"Plus, you know...we want to have a couple of kids, so it would be *pretty difficult* for the both of us to work AND raise good children" @The Lion

I live in a big city, but the red suburb I'm from has the same problem

is the county blue?

No

huh weird

I’ve accentuated the importance of a homemaker before, she’s interested.

maybe you just notice this stuff more than I do

I might be desensitized from all the time I spent in Seattle

@The Lion I think there is a lot you can do, just with your own behavior, without pressuring her

Perhaps that’s a better way than trying to read some philosophical crap

We were 98% white a few years back and were pretty aggressively targeted for the past few years

I'm also engaged, and the dynamic with my fiance shifted as I became more traditional

@The Lion You might get something out of red pill married forums like on reddit, or the High T marriage blog

and of course there are things you can do yourself, like saving and investing to enable a traditional lifestyle for yourself and her down the road

Another thing, what would you all consider a good career for a traditional man.

@The Lion Generally speaking, women are less logical and more emotional. Showing some graph about economic consequences of both parents working would be much less effective than painting the imagery of the life you imagine for the two of you together, and let her imagination run with it.

I mean it seems broad but to be engaged in the home life and care for your family, and I intend on having many children so I would need a high pay grade.

@The Lion Something that can support a family and that you are good at. There is 0 virtue in being poor.

@The Lion trades are trad in the masculine sense but being something like an engineer or financier gives you a lot of freedom to be with your kids

I wish I chose a career where I could listen to audiobooks all day

imagine how smart I would be after a year of that

@Jacob either really smart or really the kind of guy ppl dont want to talk to at parties

@The Lion You might want to introduce her to Lana from Red Ice TV, she covers politics more than homemaking but she's a good female figure for the movement

@The Lion you could also think about it this way:

We live in unstable times. We want to bring society back to tradition, but we ourselves might not be able to live that way. So if the choice is between living a by-the-book traditionalist life and being financially stable, successful, etc., the latter option may be better

I always like to use women like Ann Coulter and Marion M. Le Pen as examples - should we live in a world where they don’t have to be in politics? of course. Do we? Sadly not

just replace “politics” with whatever field

Isn't "traditionalist" a subjective term? I feel like we are cultural pioneers trying to find OUR traditionalism

that’s a really good point

@godric you can know stuff but not feel the need to constantly tell everyone about it

I used to pine for the days of the 1950s from those old pictures but like...it's never coming back. We will never have that. just pictures and maybe some old footage to reference

@Jacob that's true, I'm just being zany 🤠

"Tradition is the carrying of flame, not the worship of ashes"

Best overall definition.

@sigruna14yeah dude 100%

Sure we can't ever go back, but we have the chance to create an equally good (or better) society.

There's going to be a better society.

One of the things that drew to this was to foster a better future. I had a weird, chaotic upbringing and I crave normalcy

same

not the weird, chaotic part

but the normalcy part

I'd be pretty satisfied if I could just have a normal life and not worry about politics

Haha yeah. If my future kids never have to worry about being red pilled and can just be normal people then we're good

I have two contradictory goals in life

I want to do something great, but at the same time I just want to be left alone and relax

Same.

I don't think anyone gets to be left alone and relax.

I mean unless you just opt out and not participate

I guess it's not really contradictory

because I want to do great stuff, but I eventually want to relax

The 2 years I've been part of this movement have been a wild ride and I don't regret it at all

but I think eventually I'll need some rest

Here's my goal

When I'm a grand father and I try to explain this to my grand kids and they can't imagine what I'm talking about because they live in a polite white society. They think I'm just a kooky grandpa

ya that's a good goal

I'd rather be the kooky grandpa than try to explain to them why they are a hated minority living on white reservations...

@Current Ronin and then the cycle repeats ahaha

Haha you're right!

@Asatru Artist - MD I'd rather be a kooky grandpa than neglected in an old folks home by minorities who hate me

honestly my main immediate goal is just to be self sufficient

I just wanna be done with college already and be able to support myself

@godric actually no it wouldn't repeat itself because that generation wouldn't be taught the falsehoods so many people were taught in the home

I wonder if white people are more genetically susceptible to pathological universalism or if it is completely learned behavior

A lot are followers and don't want to make waves and want the path of least resistance

Particularly women

Correction, non red pilled women

Nah that's all women

We all want everyone to get along

Some of us just recognize it's not possible rn

Haha yeah

Honestly I don't think I've ever met a rad pilled girl irl. The closest I got was a happa that liked Steven crowder

most girls (if they're dating you) will try to mimick your positions on things tbh

I’ve met a decent amount and they’ve all been white

And yeah don’t worry too much about politics with women you’re interested in. Many guys’ standards are too high imo

If we weren't in a civilizational crisis, politics would be extremely boring

I avoid them all the time. No politics on a first date haha

But even now politics and metapolitics are not even close to my biggest interests

I usually say "nah I dont worry about that stuff. I'm just doing my own thing"

politics already are extremely boring 90% of the time

There will always be conflict, therefore there will always be a crisis.

the only reason I'm "interested" in politics is because I want my people to have a homeland

I don't really care about tax rates and stuff

There is no such thing as world peace, blame greed if you will.

This is how you get a conversation going while on a date with a normie girl. Ask her what shows she's into and just let her talk haha

problem is I don't know anything about any shows

I've been in politics for a long time (behind the scenes) and I've never found them interesting. "It's all so tiresome..."

Or ask her about which of her Co workers is a hoe

Seriously. Ask her about her job, or what shows she's into and just let her talk. "Omg this guy listens to me he's really cool.."

there's things related to politics that are interesting
interesting stuff is sociology, psychology, genetics, etc
how Congress works is boring as hell

@Nemets don’t tell me you talked about genetics on a date, lol

"Hey girl can I buy you a drink? What's your phenotype?"

Yeah...not good

@The Lion that sounds like something I would do

“I see you have a very elongated nose?”

“Uhh yeah?”

"Hey girl, wanna see my 23andMe?"

“Alright, so how rich is your father?”

As for "convincing" a woman to be "traditional," just remember that stay-at-home mom is the original woman's career, the natural default of female existence. Unless she's heartless she's not going to want to go back to work after that baby's born. (Keyword *want,* obviously for some families it's not doable, not judging that.)

@missliterallywho thank you ma’am.

everyone in the identitarian movement should find a common hobby unrelated to politics that we can all suddenly switch to talking about whenever we're having a meetup
that way we have a cover story, and we have something to discuss when politics gets boring

I personally see nothing wrong with being a full time mom and working from home. I will probably start a business with my soon to be sister-in-law in the next year or so.

"What church do you go to?"

@Jacobmodel trains!!

oh I was thinking nutrition

we could all talk about keto

"What are your plans for Christmas?"

that's kinda what already happens at IE meetups a lot of the time

“Do you like the smell of drainage pipes? My dad works with them you might like him.”

“Yeah that’s really nice barbara, but I gotta get back to this solitaire game, really fun stuff.”

@Freiheit - CA what if I don't go to church? 😳

“I have a stack of spaghettio cans in my bedroom, wanna see it?”

Alright I’m sorry Lolol.

Everytime there's a meet up its because we're in a chess club

@Jacob "Want some bacon?"

That's the story...

"Want to discuss the tasteful book "Bronze Age Mindset" over a glass of wine?"

No no, we’re cheese connoisseurs

I feel like finding a relationship would be really difficult for me because I have a lot of values that are associated with really religious people, but I'm not particularly religious myself

It’s a cheddar convention

I don't think I could ever date/marry one of those super Christian girls

@Jacob >Making excuses.

Going through coins for later yard sale,hubby's machines at work & got lucky to find a pre war 1945 wheat penny! Yay!😀👍

There ya go. We're not in IE were in IC. International cheeses

SPLC labels us as the “cheese crew”

Who all is going to LOPF this year?

Wow @celticflame

There's really nothing whiter than enjoying various cheeses

@Freiheit - CA I mean is my excuse wrong though?

Ya,isn't that awesome?! They're hard to find these days! @Freiheit - CA

cheese very good

@Jacob Not necessarily, but you can't win if you don't play bro.

@Jacob We were at a meetup once and the bartender asked us how we knew each other and we were like uhhh....

She knew something was up

Imagine getting arrested for going to a cheese convention because of hate speech

Rugby team

If you have a non white normie friend that doesn't know how to get a conversation going with a white person just tell them to ask what their favorite cheeses are

We said European heritage club many times in California, usually people thought that was cool

biker gang

Then what do you say if they ask you the name of it?

You don't have to have a name

Not all groups have names

Actually just call it “b”

Just b

I went to b last night

/b/

NO

🅱

I take it back

@Pat-MA the worst is when my parents ask me where I know my friends from

@Freiheit - CA that's fair

My parents are excited I have friends.

Yikes

What

@Jacob Go do something, martial arts, shooting range, whatever. "I met them doing X." It's true.

@Jacob You going to Utah for DTR-UT?

Total honesty is always ideal but if you can't do it, you can at least be technically honest.

When I went to Montana I said it's because I have a friend who moved to Montana

which isn't really wrong

“Just going camping... again”

Hahah

“What’s in your backpack?”
“Video games”

"You go to a lot of weddings valaska"

Lmao this could be good youtube content

"Why are you always out of town?"

"Don't show up in the paper again..."

"why do your friends keep moving to all these weird states, Jacob - WA?"

"Why are the girls you meet so far away?"

Because we live in Mexico, CA

“Which friend was that?”
*pulls name out of hat*

*Squits* argument of perigee

"What's there for you to do in *shuffles deck* *pulls card* San Francisco?"

"why do all your friends have weird names like Valaska - MT?"

“Why do you go to DC so often? What’s there??”

"Boy, you sure do go to alot of Fortnite Tournaments, my son Patrick Casey."

"Your Father and I are leaving California forever, why are you always talking about racial stuff? We're all the same."

"Patrick? I thought your friend's name was Reinhard?"

“wow, College Republicans has a lot of conferences!”

"When do we get to meet this Lady1492Hammer? Is she coming to dinner?"

"You sure buy a lot of books since joining that golf team, Freiheit..."

"Why is it that every time you and your friends hang out there's always a news story about racist posters in the same place you hung out?"

Lol

Top Kek

"Why do all your friends have that same hair cut?"

This girl I'm seeing hit me with a similar question like that

Based

"I think my son is taking some sort of cultural studies class at the local JC...he has this book about Cultural Critique...I think it's about Pigmys or something."

“Why won’t you tell me your twitter handle?”

I told people DtR was an environmental job fair. (obviously I did not call it DtR)

"Why do your friends keep talking about defending some mountain range? And what kind of young people clean parks to hang out? Are you part of some secret environmental group?"

my school frens are now reading BAP

"Hey what was that YouTube channel you said your buddy James Alslurp or whatever runs?"

"What could you possibly need your polish flag for in Montana @Jacob "

"Why do you always ride up on your bike to visit wearing that weird triangle cape?"

"Isn't Montana too cold for track suits?"

@Jacob If St Petersburg aint...

"Why do all your clothes have teal paint on them?"

@Freiheit - CA currently

"You said your friend was Slovakian, right? Huh I thought their flag looked different"

Lmfao

Guys I hung up new curtains in my room so I can have total darkness while sleeping. I'm the master of all home improvement

@Current Ronin when are you getting a sensory deprivation chamber?

Soon...soon

just wake up before it ever gets light

I must have total darkness and silence. I'm a vampire boy

"An evolutionary analysis of Jewish political and intellectual movements in the 20th century? That's a pretty niche topic, why are you reading so much about it?"

@Jacob To support greatest ally of course

(sarcasm. Actual greatest ally is Australia)

the track suit is not aesthetic, @ me

Fellow Anglo watch out.

@TIDE

Slavs and Meds will dogpile. 🇫

@TIDE solidarity, brother.

Am med enough, I fear no med

I stand with Tide

tracksuits are the most iconic fashion item in history, rt

Not rompers? Lol

Unless you're actually doing sports at the moment, or lounging around the home, not a fan of tracksuits.

Though those new kappa suits do be looking fresh though