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2018-10-19 18:50:28 UTC

and if you dont want to vote to get those changes then thats on you

2018-10-19 18:50:30 UTC

And someone who isn't paying attention to the issues and picks a name at random definitely doesn't know

2018-10-19 18:50:43 UTC

But you've defended the virtue of their "effort"

2018-10-19 18:50:48 UTC

example i wanted gay rights so i voted obama both times

2018-10-19 18:51:16 UTC

at least u guys have a right to vote

2018-10-19 18:51:24 UTC

i have a duty to vote

2018-10-19 18:51:32 UTC

if i dont i can get fined

2018-10-19 18:51:42 UTC

no matter how utter garbage the candidates are

2018-10-19 18:52:15 UTC

oz?

2018-10-19 18:53:24 UTC

i dont get the case you made @Beemann to not vote eqauls right to complain

2018-10-19 18:54:18 UTC

If I have a contest and you join knowing the terms of the contest, why do you get to complain when it doesn't go your way?

2018-10-19 18:54:57 UTC

Just sounds like a sore loser tbh

2018-10-19 18:55:01 UTC

i joined there the reason why i get to

2018-10-19 18:55:15 UTC

You made a contradictory statement

2018-10-19 18:55:31 UTC

"I don't, but I do"

2018-10-19 18:55:55 UTC

If I have a contest and you agree to the terms and then complain when you don't get your way, are you not just a sore loser?

2018-10-19 18:55:57 UTC

wsorry started typing while i had a head thought

2018-10-19 18:56:03 UTC

Oh ok

2018-10-19 18:56:54 UTC

i can complain cause i contibuted to the contest

2018-10-19 18:57:26 UTC

so i get to compalin if i feel i was unfairly judged

2018-10-19 18:57:32 UTC

Why do you get to complain? You didn't build anything

2018-10-19 18:57:38 UTC

You participated, you lost

2018-10-19 18:57:45 UTC

The system worked, it did not go your way

2018-10-19 18:58:00 UTC

your examples make no sense

2018-10-19 18:58:25 UTC

If we have a contest for say, a cash prize, and you win, and I start bitching about it, I'm just being a sore loser, no?

2018-10-19 18:58:42 UTC

It's childish behaviour. I knew the results could = my loss

2018-10-19 18:58:49 UTC

and you didnt explain the extent of this hypothetical contest

2018-10-19 18:58:53 UTC

I agreed to lose as well as win

2018-10-19 18:59:01 UTC

It doesn't matter, it's just a contest

2018-10-19 18:59:09 UTC

and taking it way off topic

2018-10-19 18:59:25 UTC

It's 100% on topic. Do you know what an election is?
A contest

2018-10-19 18:59:42 UTC

When you vote, you accept Trump winning implicitly

2018-10-19 18:59:50 UTC

That is one of the results of the election

2018-10-19 19:00:05 UTC

You willingly take part knowing that you are participating in a process that could elect Trump

2018-10-19 19:00:10 UTC

and your contest example only helps my point

2018-10-19 19:00:16 UTC

Ergo now that Trump has won, you should have already accepted it

2018-10-19 19:00:24 UTC

What, that you're a sore loser?

2018-10-19 19:01:14 UTC

im done you cant see it im dopne explaining it you dont want to se it fine but i tried

2018-10-19 19:02:06 UTC

No, you've made a series of circular statements and then get mad when I use different examples to explain flaws with that reasoning beyond it simply being circular

2018-10-19 19:03:56 UTC

no im getting frustrated becuase you are turning this into symantic debate and a circular debate and use some of the wtf examples ive ever seen but its fine agree to disagree

2018-10-19 19:12:30 UTC

I havent turned this into a semantic debate in the slightest, and I'd love if you could point to where I used a circular argument

2018-10-19 20:44:35 UTC

Voting for a third party can also be useful in the long run. Winning just 5% of the electorate secures public funding for the next election.

2018-10-20 02:56:15 UTC

Crypto racist has a nice ring to it.

2018-10-20 04:27:21 UTC

They're not really crypto-, though.

2018-10-20 04:42:09 UTC

But it sounds cool

2018-10-20 12:57:27 UTC

hey guys you know the 4 square political test?

2018-10-20 12:57:41 UTC

does anybody else feel like it should be working on atleast 3-4 dimensions

2018-10-20 12:58:51 UTC

sorta asking after discussion with right wing friend who in a geo-political aspect ends up being put as authoritarian typically, but on a personal level is very libertarian

2018-10-20 12:59:40 UTC

over-complicating needlessly isn't worth a damn, but all the same the test(s) itself misses finer points of ones viewpoints

2018-10-20 13:00:59 UTC

Might be a matter of changing the questions rather than the layout.

2018-10-20 13:24:55 UTC

there's sapply for 3 dimensions

2018-10-20 13:25:03 UTC

and 8values is 4 dimensions

2018-10-20 13:41:15 UTC

8 values doesnt illustrate my political leaning via hypercubes tho

2018-10-20 13:46:31 UTC

well... yeah, we can't perceive hypercubes

2018-10-20 13:52:44 UTC

Maybe you can't

2018-10-20 13:54:42 UTC

D:

2018-10-20 14:31:16 UTC

):

2018-10-20 16:36:08 UTC

Yeah, these tests aren't really that good. I think the majority are actually made to be push-polls. Furthermore it's really not obvious that political orientation should exist on any reasonable dimensional space.

2018-10-20 17:20:26 UTC

Seems to me that you can directly measure the dimensionality of a political test by measuring the independence/orthogonality/correlation between questions.

2018-10-20 18:21:53 UTC

OK. How do you define orthogonality?

2018-10-20 18:32:46 UTC

Perpendicular

2018-10-20 18:42:32 UTC

It's just the collinearity between responses to the test questions.

2018-10-20 20:40:40 UTC

politiscales is my fave tho

2018-10-20 20:40:57 UTC

would be cool if we had a channel to post test results, for easy comparison

2018-10-20 22:02:38 UTC

Is it possible to opt out of discord policy change in regards to class action law suit?
https://twitter.com/BooDooPerson/status/1052922096802848768

2018-10-20 22:04:18 UTC

if you are in EU area you dont need to do anything.

2018-10-20 22:04:28 UTC

Gotcha

2018-10-20 22:05:02 UTC

While I believe that the EU has such measures tied into GDPR (Article 77) to prevent this sort of change in a terms of service, simply overriding the companies choice. The US and some other countries do not have such a law. See https://xq.ms/4dI4k

2018-10-21 04:16:04 UTC

Fallout 76 looks bad

2018-10-21 04:35:55 UTC

looks like a waste of money

2018-10-21 07:20:26 UTC

I think America is too lazy to have a civil war.

2018-10-21 07:22:29 UTC

Or is it that there is not a greater humanitarian crisis that makes sense to do so.

2018-10-21 09:39:40 UTC

We're not going to have a civil war nor should we. The only one we had was due to deep seeded, long standing issues from at least the founding of the nation. Only approximately 90 years later at great fear of one side winning out permanently did any such thing happen. Presently we have a much more stable form of government with disagreement on what's more along the lines of details than the big picture.

2018-10-21 10:36:05 UTC

Well, most people yes, there is however a small revolutionary bunch that permanently causes trouble.

2018-10-21 10:36:22 UTC

that bunch needs to be "purged" (=removed from position of power/influence).

2018-10-21 12:25:54 UTC

@Timcast The Second Ref on Brexit is nothing more then the Trump is sucking Putins dick. These people lost and they lost their fucking minds. The entire establishment couldn't believe what just happened and talk of a second vote started immediately and has been growing from there. Name calling, wishing and being thankfull that 2 years has past so more old people are dead and can't vote leave again.
Project fear was kicked into over drive with a government trying to make to divorce process look as bad and as hard as possible.
We have not been giving what was promised and what the majority of people voted for.
The second vote is not grass roots, it is the biggest names in politics thinking the plebs made the wrong choice. They control the media and can make the outside world see what ever they want. A second ref would be an attack on the democratic process by the political and cultural elite who think they know better.
Much like the screaming banshees you have in the US backed up by celebs, this is a small group of children that have been stamping their feet for 2 years, They should be ignored.

2018-10-21 16:36:52 UTC

There will be nothing stopping the brits from reapplying to the EU once they leave it

2018-10-21 16:37:01 UTC

Except of course, the EU

2018-10-21 16:43:04 UTC

Well, with things going the way they are right now, you might have been better off as a Member of the EU...

2018-10-21 16:43:12 UTC

EU will be happy to take brits back and continue destroying their country

2018-10-21 16:43:16 UTC

the EU might be authoritarian, but not THAT authoritarian...

2018-10-21 16:43:49 UTC

When we leave and I mean leave, no common rule book, no open boarders, and we will start to see the benefits of being our own country, the EU will go full force with their plans of creating a USE and the people of the UK will see it all from the outside perspective. We will never join the EU again by choice.

2018-10-21 16:44:02 UTC

May is one of the worst things hat could have happened to the UK. Sadly. Either she's that evil or that incompentent. Or both...

2018-10-21 16:45:34 UTC

She an EU sycophant. She sees her self as no more than the custodian of the UK. She could of had statues made of her, now she'll be lucky if ppl don't dance on her grave.

2018-10-21 16:48:48 UTC

Well, she deserves the (upcoming) Merkel treatment.

2018-10-21 16:49:01 UTC

seems like many politicians in Germany are moving against Angie right now

2018-10-21 16:50:49 UTC

Merkel is a fucking snake. How the fuck did she survive the last vote. She knows what she's doing.

2018-10-21 17:01:41 UTC

Old people can vote

2018-10-21 17:02:08 UTC

people 70+ and also many are indoctrinated to not vote AfD

2018-10-21 20:02:19 UTC

So what's up with the UK? Y'all leaving or what?

2018-10-21 20:08:50 UTC

Yes we are. It might take us a little longer than we hoped but we are getting out.

2018-10-21 20:08:51 UTC

We SHOULD be, but too many people are NPCs scared of looking racist, so it's being halted a lot

2018-10-21 20:10:00 UTC

Brexit will be dragged out forever and then diluted.

2018-10-21 20:10:28 UTC

They are pushing for a second referendum and then they will likely keep backdoors open and weasel their way out of anything of substance.

2018-10-21 20:10:48 UTC

No, that not it @Vigil This is far more to do with the elite dragging their heels.

2018-10-21 20:11:11 UTC

It's a very middle class thing to hate Brexit

2018-10-21 20:11:16 UTC

Middle-upper

2018-10-21 20:11:34 UTC

It's fashionable, and most of the clout outside of the media is tag-alongs

2018-10-21 20:11:44 UTC

I agree it's mainly the elite fuelling it though

2018-10-21 20:14:10 UTC

@Vigil It's nearly time to send a letter to our MPs saying how much we dislike Chequers and would prefer a no deal than a bad deal.

2018-10-21 20:14:32 UTC

Get them in just before they vote on it.

2018-10-21 20:18:46 UTC

Lol the MP where I grew up goes to less than 50% of parliamentary debates or something like that

2018-10-21 20:18:58 UTC

He believes his vote doesn't matter

2018-10-21 20:19:05 UTC

GG

2018-10-22 00:50:29 UTC

Do you believe in meme magic?

2018-10-22 00:51:47 UTC

Is there a connection between Princeton's Global Consciousness Project and meme magic?

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

2018-10-22 00:54:17 UTC

Can you plot the global consciousness? http://global-mind.org/gcpdot/gcpchart.php

2018-10-22 01:19:17 UTC

Hello, please allow me to introduce myself. I am a Pleb. But that doesn't matter. I was hoping that someone here could educate me on an older topic. I understand that the separating of children from parents at the border has stopped due to an executive order but I was wondering if anyone had sources to find out exactly what was happening to the parents and the children after being separated from each other?

2018-10-22 02:15:38 UTC

Adults and children are held in separate facilities as they're processed. Adults are held until their hearings for asylum go through or they are deported. Children are held until they can be placed with a non-imprisoned relative, if none are found they go into the foster care system.

2018-10-22 03:02:18 UTC

Thank you.

2018-10-22 03:02:21 UTC

Global consciousness is a real phenomenon.

2018-10-22 03:02:37 UTC

And meme magic is one of its examples, but there are numerous.

2018-10-22 03:03:13 UTC

Religion is the most fundamental and pronounced example of group consciousness.

2018-10-22 03:04:05 UTC

Group consciousness is nothing more than a shared perspective on reality.

2018-10-22 03:05:55 UTC

The great psychologist and gnostic Jung discusses the idea of group consciousness and depth psychology extensively.

2018-10-22 03:07:26 UTC

I would say that Manifest Destiny is another good example of an effectively applied group consciousness.

2018-10-22 03:08:06 UTC

There's also the concepts of Chivalry and Bushido. Even though their founding was 6 centuries apart. They did formulate in two radically different parts of the world and held similar yet vastly different concepts.

2018-10-22 03:10:02 UTC

They are two different expressions of feudalism.

2018-10-22 03:12:22 UTC

Yes. It is easy to suggest that people, although from different walks of life and cultures, look at similar problems and come up with similar responses.

2018-10-22 03:13:36 UTC

It is, it is also interesting to then note how well the Japanese were able to Westernize and quickly move away from feudalism.

2018-10-22 03:17:42 UTC

I think Feudalism is inherently flawed and everyone recognized those flaws but they didn't have a better solution at the time. Until a new system was introduced and the people quickly adopted the new values simply because they saw it as inherently better. Perhaps not consciously, but it was a quick adoption due to just having a better idea. I think Jungian philosophy and theory is fascinating but I also believe it can be explained not through a shared subconscious but through people being people and even though our cultures are different we still have the same thought processes and with enough time and proper healthy debate will come to the same conclusions logically.

2018-10-22 03:17:57 UTC

But I must to bed now. I have a busy day tomorrow and the hour is growing late.

2018-10-22 12:45:36 UTC

We need a new holy crusade

2018-10-22 12:46:29 UTC

We need to invade Venezuela

2018-10-22 12:55:14 UTC

And Europe will start with SWeDeN

2018-10-22 14:43:58 UTC

retake Constantinople

2018-10-22 14:44:11 UTC

retake Antioch

2018-10-22 14:44:20 UTC

retake Alexandria

2018-10-22 14:44:40 UTC

restore the Pentarchate.

2018-10-22 17:33:52 UTC

Bobby Fischer in exile.

2018-10-22 18:46:50 UTC

if only

2018-10-22 18:46:55 UTC

we had the library of alexandria

2018-10-22 20:46:41 UTC

We have been here before. But we never learn:

"March 15, 1982: This UPI report so dated begins: โ€œCalgary police said Monday they are concerned with the increasing number of women reporting unfounded rapes and may consider laying public mischief charges.โ€"

2018-10-22 20:47:09 UTC

"January-February 1982: False rape statistics for Calgary, Canada, the first two months of the year. There were nineteen reported rapes, seven of them turning out to be false. Not unfounded, but false."

2018-10-22 20:47:46 UTC

All studies conducted before the memory holing of feminism indicate a rate of false rape allegations of about 40-80% at times.

2018-10-22 23:16:45 UTC

Reclaim Byzantium!

2018-10-23 00:00:28 UTC

@Timcast, the civility you seek doesnโ€™t appear on the ballot; no choice on it will reverse the trend.

Actions have consequences:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SA0R

2018-10-23 01:11:31 UTC

Women stating "pay me or I'll say you raped me" are practicing extortion - a crime in many places. Men would do well to get it recorded or documented and go to the police immediately to file a report.

2018-10-23 01:12:14 UTC

Who in their right mind would debate that?

2018-10-23 01:12:43 UTC

Debate what?

2018-10-23 01:15:23 UTC

So far as the numbers of founded vs. unfounded reports, that we will never know. Unfounded reports include intentionally filed false reports as well as ones which turned out not to have occurred but the victim may have had reason to believe it did. Examples of this is if you are drunk, have sex and black out recalling nothing. You can't know if you had drunk sex in which you were a willing participant or if you were taken advantage of while passed out. Both things do occur. In other cases it might be for example if you had parked your vehicle and return to discover it missing. The presumption made is that someone stole it but it also could have been towed, repossessed or relocated due to an event.

2018-10-23 01:16:51 UTC

Then we also can't know how many reports are founded when it comes to this. The nature of the crime means there will seldom be video or audio. Any outside interaction may not be representative of what occurred behind closed doors. Through further interaction fences can be mended and bridges burned.

2018-10-23 01:19:29 UTC

Further any evidence gained doesn't immediately indicate a crime as regular sexual intercourse can cause the very same things, tenderness, soreness, tearing and so on. Some men and women also enjoy things a bit risquรฉ which people might think were criminal. It ends up being she said and he said. So some reports may indeed be marked unfounded not because a crime didn't occur but because we lack evidence to say one did. Visa versa, circumstances could indicate one occurred when one in fact didn't.

2018-10-23 01:23:01 UTC

You end up with a situation where few are proven one way or another while the vast majority linger due to insufficient information. Then those in either side could very well be wrongly placed merely due to circumstance. It's not something we'll ever have truly accurate numbers for. The best way to handle the situation though is to continue investigating claims as crimes until we have more information but record them differently. Instead of recording them as these crimes occurred record them as this many allegations have been levied. Then break it down further by how many were convicted and how many reports are marked unfounded.

2018-10-23 01:40:44 UTC

A topic came up in general chat, thought the question would be better put here.

2018-10-23 01:40:50 UTC

Why do people think eugenics is evil?

2018-10-23 01:41:04 UTC

It's a critical part of almost all our biological infrastructure.

2018-10-23 01:42:52 UTC

Yeah it is a better space for it. I'm not exactly *for* it but I know its a possibility again.

2018-10-23 01:43:57 UTC

Memes will eventually be our main source of communication by 2050

2018-10-23 01:44:19 UTC

Or sooner

2018-10-23 01:46:20 UTC

Isn't abortion a form of eugenics?

2018-10-23 01:46:42 UTC

I suppose it could be considered a facet of.

2018-10-23 01:47:01 UTC

Abortion is indiscriminate, unless used purposefully to avoid things like downs

2018-10-23 01:47:06 UTC

Generally my understanding is most of the work is done before that's come about.

2018-10-23 01:47:32 UTC

But thats exactly it, eugenics won't be an idea that comes up from the libertarians or conservatives, as people think. it'll actually be the left.

2018-10-23 01:47:33 UTC

You don't shoot unfit cows, you carefully breed ones with the qualities you want.

2018-10-23 01:48:02 UTC

Right. So people don't have issues with the concept, they're just concerned that it would be misused?

2018-10-23 01:48:03 UTC

it'll be the ones who dont mind abortions and while they say they love disabled people, will understand they can't uphold the economy unless a few fall on the sword

2018-10-23 01:49:00 UTC

At this point we are just better off waiting for gene therapy rather than developing legal eugenics for the present day.

2018-10-23 01:49:01 UTC

If you carefully breed cows you tend to shoot the weak ones less because there are less weak ones.

2018-10-23 01:49:26 UTC

well yeah, gene expression is a cute way of enacting eugenics

2018-10-23 01:50:00 UTC

I think the only moral and ethical way to handle gene therapy is to be indiscriminate in its application to health and capabilities.

2018-10-23 01:50:42 UTC

I don't want a GATTACA society that has a society stratified based on genes.

2018-10-23 01:51:06 UTC

I'd say as long as it weeds out diseases and disabilities I'm all for it. If people suck after birth for reasons of their own doing i'm cool with that.

2018-10-23 01:52:09 UTC

I mean, if genes influence our performance, then any meritocratic society is at least going to be partly stratified based on genes.

2018-10-23 01:52:16 UTC

But you cant' really have a laissez faire society and yet have such strict foundations.

2018-10-23 01:54:43 UTC

Playing with eugenics would be perhaps the most dangerous power we could ever acquire.

2018-10-23 01:55:22 UTC

a teifling has rights too!

2018-10-23 01:55:41 UTC

We cannot give over are own genes over to capitalism and consumerism.

2018-10-23 01:56:48 UTC

Any gene-therapy we do should be as available as a vaccine.

2018-10-23 01:59:22 UTC

I'd agree, but it would come from a government level wouldn't it? At least thats what science fiction would propose. I'm usually very pro market, even when it comes to health care, but genetics is something everyone should have an equal foot on just as nature intended.

2018-10-23 02:01:35 UTC

Imagine the conspiracy theories that people will come up with then...

2018-10-23 02:02:18 UTC

About all the things they do to our genes. Like making us drones and genetically subservient beings.

2018-10-23 02:10:50 UTC

Romansh should become the new lingua franca.

2018-10-23 02:10:56 UTC

Change my mind.

2018-10-23 02:11:42 UTC

Eugenics was very popular in 1900s America and really worldwide. It was closely tied to the popularity of Darwinism at the time.

A number of the early abortionists were actually very, very big on eugenics (most well known being Margaret Sanger--founder of Planned Parenthood--were very much in favor of performing eugenics to wipe out classes of people.

Eugenics, along with a number of related concepts like Social Darwinism, were extremely popular for awhile (at least among the upper classes) until the Holocaust left a bad taste in everyone's mouth and it all fell out of favor.

If you go around certain places (like universities) and pose as the right people and ask the right questions, you can still find a number of eugenicists (primarily on the left in my experience, but considering this is academia there's a bit of a sampling bias). Typically they arrive at population control as an environmental necessity and approach it from that angle (there's just not much need to preserve all those hill billy rednecks, ya'know?)

2018-10-23 02:12:02 UTC

Eugenics itself is a bad idea because it's basically going to lead to what is effectively genocide.

2018-10-23 02:13:02 UTC

It is also a direct threat to people and you should be very concerned that such a precedent could be set for you.

2018-10-23 02:15:02 UTC

I agree

2018-10-23 02:18:06 UTC

I personally believe abortion should only be offered (not forced) in the case of rape, incest, or health risks.

2018-10-23 02:23:07 UTC

I put it like this; every person is personified as a flame. Man provides spark, woman provides tinder. If a man lights a flame in a woman's flammables without her consent she should have the right to put it out. And she should be given the ability to snuff a flame lit on damp tinder.

2018-10-23 02:25:59 UTC

I'm not a religious person. I could see abortion as being a public good. Or maybe just a private one, but available. It meets both supply and demand.

2018-10-23 02:26:41 UTC

But we got too many people expecting free shit, especially the poor who get pregnant more than those with money.

2018-10-23 14:53:01 UTC

Then why don't we just try to make people value having sex as something that does after marry?
Educating people the point and purpose of doing it in the first
Not just having funs, but making babies, but doing these could prevent pregnancy , so you can have funs with killing babies
Or you could give babies to people who actually wanted them (sell)

2018-10-23 14:55:10 UTC

I'm a religious person, so I see abortion as scary things, but I kind of understand why they need it
Lives of children are hopes in the end, so instead of killing them, we should try to give the hopes to someone else who can provide

2018-10-23 14:56:38 UTC

I think orange man bad <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:57:53 UTC

I think abortion is like pooping <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:58:37 UTC

with blood <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:58:45 UTC

and legs <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:58:57 UTC

and chest <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:59:13 UTC

and then arms <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:59:23 UTC

following by head <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 14:59:43 UTC

like pooping <:NPC:500042527231967262>

2018-10-23 15:13:53 UTC

EVERY LOST EGG OR SPERM IS A POTENTIAL LIFE
JAIL FAPPING WEEBS

2018-10-23 15:31:45 UTC

Well, you want to count that, too, go for it

2018-10-23 15:53:46 UTC

But I thought those eggs and sperms will br out when there are too many like wet dream and period

2018-10-23 15:59:06 UTC

And did I say getting people who got abortion to jail?
No. I believe all of people should get to choose what they want to do, but if I can help those babies' lives, I would. But I can't, so there are no points of enforcing the laws to prevent killing babies (well you can someone in your house, so you can also kill someone in your body), but society and media need to work at their best to prevent them from making babies without plans in the first place. And if the babies are made without plans, at least tell the mother that they can sell their babies to other family who can provide, not just "Oh well, let's kill this baby"

2018-10-23 16:03:15 UTC

>taking shitposts seriously

2018-10-23 16:03:47 UTC

It's actually happening before your post one shitposts

2018-10-23 16:04:16 UTC

Then I started it again a bit before your post

2018-10-23 16:04:42 UTC

Or did you post it before me?

2018-10-23 16:05:11 UTC

I posted it in response to your shitposts

2018-10-23 16:05:47 UTC

Oh, you are the same guy

2018-10-23 16:06:33 UTC

Sorry
I didn't see that you were just joking in here

2018-10-23 16:06:57 UTC

And No Fap Challenge

2018-10-23 16:07:09 UTC

Yay

2018-10-23 16:23:14 UTC

What's the point of the No Fap challenge? Is it just to stop addiction to masturbating?

2018-10-23 16:23:25 UTC

Basically

2018-10-23 16:23:38 UTC

Oh.

2018-10-23 16:27:18 UTC

I mean form my experience, masturbation took a lot from me, and it took me 8 years to realize that

2018-10-23 16:59:27 UTC

Its a reward for doing nothing much

2018-10-23 16:59:36 UTC

That makes you lazier

2018-10-23 17:01:09 UTC

Masturbation is the sexual equivalent of munching on a bag of sugar.

2018-10-23 17:01:31 UTC

You have isolated the pleasure from the purpose of the pleasure.

2018-10-23 17:02:46 UTC

Honestly as long as it keeps the libidos down Im fine with it.

2018-10-23 17:03:01 UTC

Look at Korea's rape statistics after they started censoring porn

2018-10-24 00:28:03 UTC

I don't support censoring things

2018-10-24 00:28:24 UTC

I just think that Masturbation is scary

2018-10-24 00:28:35 UTC

I also just found it
https://youtu.be/G35g5HQVjpU

2018-10-24 01:03:38 UTC

I think masturbation in a moderate amount is healthy. It allows the person to figure out what turns them on, what they like, how they like things, to learn about their own body. And they are taking part in this self learning with someone whom loves them. So to go along with the munching on sugar analogy. It could be seen more as learning how to bake cookies that you like and then going to someone and offering them to bake cookies with you while showing them how you like your cookies since you already know what kind of cookies you like. . .does that make sense?

2018-10-24 01:48:10 UTC

I'm afraid not. I feel that it's pretty self evident that reproductive organs are for, well, reproduction. Self-pleasuring isn't a reproductive act, and thus is a misuse of the organs. Pretty straightforward.

2018-10-24 01:48:36 UTC

Thinking pleasure is the point instead of a side effect is a mistake.

2018-10-24 02:07:37 UTC

Religion is an essential component of a functioning society.

2018-10-24 02:18:42 UTC

is religion really essential or is it just a consistently held set of beliefs amongst a population?

2018-10-24 02:19:35 UTC

Arguing for the necessity of religious ideals in human society would require more energy and refresher research than I'm willing to muster right now.

2018-10-24 02:19:35 UTC

religion is probably the easiet way to implement that

but at quite the cost

2018-10-24 02:20:43 UTC

I don't know if I'd say that religion is essential but it's more like humans seem to have a religious need that, if not properly filled, gets filled by whatever is available.

2018-10-24 02:21:59 UTC

atheism is just the modern religion

2018-10-24 02:22:03 UTC

To think of it more in terms of food, if a person doesn't eat enough or properly the body will try and sacrifice the lesser needed parts (like fat) to get what it needs to sustain the important parts.

2018-10-24 02:22:33 UTC

If the body can't get what it needs from storage then it begins to break down other parts, like muscle.

2018-10-24 02:23:00 UTC

But it's more of filling a hole. So whatever is at hand seems to get plugged.

2018-10-24 02:23:50 UTC

I's funny, but that's more or less what religious people have been claiming for a while

2018-10-24 02:24:10 UTC

You choose to believe in something or you believe whatever's available

2018-10-24 02:24:52 UTC

Probably that phrasing made people think it was just about people being too stupid to "choose for themselves", but it was trying to get at this sort of thing

2018-10-24 02:26:37 UTC

It makes sense that religious people would claim that. To say something to the effect of, "Everyone needs to eat, we just choose to eat different things." wouldn't be controversial at all.

2018-10-24 02:27:02 UTC

But in terms of religions the old way of thinking would be, "My diet is the right way and that's that!"

2018-10-24 02:28:09 UTC

It's amusing because people do exactly that with diets!

2018-10-24 02:28:31 UTC

So that they'd also do it with other stuff shouldn't really surprise anyone

2018-10-24 02:29:04 UTC

Also, phrasing it as a diet is interesting, because not every conceivable diet is equally valid or good

2018-10-24 02:29:21 UTC

Which I guess is kinda Peterson's idea

2018-10-24 03:52:19 UTC

I think you're absolutely correct, Malt.

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