Message from @Tabmite

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2018-10-22 18:46:50 UTC  

if only

2018-10-22 18:46:55 UTC  

we had the library of alexandria

2018-10-22 20:46:41 UTC  

We have been here before. But we never learn:

"March 15, 1982: This UPI report so dated begins: “Calgary police said Monday they are concerned with the increasing number of women reporting unfounded rapes and may consider laying public mischief charges.”"

2018-10-22 20:47:09 UTC  

"January-February 1982: False rape statistics for Calgary, Canada, the first two months of the year. There were nineteen reported rapes, seven of them turning out to be false. Not unfounded, but false."

2018-10-22 20:47:46 UTC  

All studies conducted before the memory holing of feminism indicate a rate of false rape allegations of about 40-80% at times.

2018-10-22 23:16:45 UTC  

Reclaim Byzantium!

2018-10-23 00:00:28 UTC  

@Timcast, the civility you seek doesn’t appear on the ballot; no choice on it will reverse the trend.

Actions have consequences:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SA0R

2018-10-23 01:11:31 UTC  

Women stating "pay me or I'll say you raped me" are practicing extortion - a crime in many places. Men would do well to get it recorded or documented and go to the police immediately to file a report.

2018-10-23 01:12:14 UTC  

Who in their right mind would debate that?

2018-10-23 01:12:43 UTC  

Debate what?

2018-10-23 01:15:23 UTC  

So far as the numbers of founded vs. unfounded reports, that we will never know. Unfounded reports include intentionally filed false reports as well as ones which turned out not to have occurred but the victim may have had reason to believe it did. Examples of this is if you are drunk, have sex and black out recalling nothing. You can't know if you had drunk sex in which you were a willing participant or if you were taken advantage of while passed out. Both things do occur. In other cases it might be for example if you had parked your vehicle and return to discover it missing. The presumption made is that someone stole it but it also could have been towed, repossessed or relocated due to an event.

2018-10-23 01:16:51 UTC  

Then we also can't know how many reports are founded when it comes to this. The nature of the crime means there will seldom be video or audio. Any outside interaction may not be representative of what occurred behind closed doors. Through further interaction fences can be mended and bridges burned.

2018-10-23 01:19:29 UTC  

Further any evidence gained doesn't immediately indicate a crime as regular sexual intercourse can cause the very same things, tenderness, soreness, tearing and so on. Some men and women also enjoy things a bit risqué which people might think were criminal. It ends up being she said and he said. So some reports may indeed be marked unfounded not because a crime didn't occur but because we lack evidence to say one did. Visa versa, circumstances could indicate one occurred when one in fact didn't.

2018-10-23 01:23:01 UTC  

You end up with a situation where few are proven one way or another while the vast majority linger due to insufficient information. Then those in either side could very well be wrongly placed merely due to circumstance. It's not something we'll ever have truly accurate numbers for. The best way to handle the situation though is to continue investigating claims as crimes until we have more information but record them differently. Instead of recording them as these crimes occurred record them as this many allegations have been levied. Then break it down further by how many were convicted and how many reports are marked unfounded.

2018-10-23 01:40:44 UTC  

A topic came up in general chat, thought the question would be better put here.

2018-10-23 01:40:50 UTC  

Why do people think eugenics is evil?

2018-10-23 01:41:04 UTC  

It's a critical part of almost all our biological infrastructure.

2018-10-23 01:42:52 UTC  

Yeah it is a better space for it. I'm not exactly *for* it but I know its a possibility again.

2018-10-23 01:43:57 UTC  

Memes will eventually be our main source of communication by 2050

2018-10-23 01:44:19 UTC  

Or sooner

2018-10-23 01:46:20 UTC  

Isn't abortion a form of eugenics?

2018-10-23 01:46:42 UTC  

I suppose it could be considered a facet of.

2018-10-23 01:47:01 UTC  

Abortion is indiscriminate, unless used purposefully to avoid things like downs

2018-10-23 01:47:06 UTC  

Generally my understanding is most of the work is done before that's come about.

2018-10-23 01:47:32 UTC  

But thats exactly it, eugenics won't be an idea that comes up from the libertarians or conservatives, as people think. it'll actually be the left.

2018-10-23 01:47:33 UTC  

You don't shoot unfit cows, you carefully breed ones with the qualities you want.

2018-10-23 01:48:02 UTC  

Right. So people don't have issues with the concept, they're just concerned that it would be misused?

2018-10-23 01:48:03 UTC  

it'll be the ones who dont mind abortions and while they say they love disabled people, will understand they can't uphold the economy unless a few fall on the sword

2018-10-23 01:49:00 UTC  

At this point we are just better off waiting for gene therapy rather than developing legal eugenics for the present day.

2018-10-23 01:49:01 UTC  

If you carefully breed cows you tend to shoot the weak ones less because there are less weak ones.

2018-10-23 01:49:26 UTC  

well yeah, gene expression is a cute way of enacting eugenics

2018-10-23 01:50:00 UTC  

I think the only moral and ethical way to handle gene therapy is to be indiscriminate in its application to health and capabilities.

2018-10-23 01:50:42 UTC  

I don't want a GATTACA society that has a society stratified based on genes.

2018-10-23 01:51:06 UTC  

I'd say as long as it weeds out diseases and disabilities I'm all for it. If people suck after birth for reasons of their own doing i'm cool with that.

2018-10-23 01:52:09 UTC  

I mean, if genes influence our performance, then any meritocratic society is at least going to be partly stratified based on genes.

2018-10-23 01:52:16 UTC  

But you cant' really have a laissez faire society and yet have such strict foundations.

2018-10-23 01:54:43 UTC  

Playing with eugenics would be perhaps the most dangerous power we could ever acquire.

2018-10-23 01:55:22 UTC  

a teifling has rights too!

2018-10-23 01:55:41 UTC  

We cannot give over are own genes over to capitalism and consumerism.