Message from @velvitonator
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I think masturbation in a moderate amount is healthy. It allows the person to figure out what turns them on, what they like, how they like things, to learn about their own body. And they are taking part in this self learning with someone whom loves them. So to go along with the munching on sugar analogy. It could be seen more as learning how to bake cookies that you like and then going to someone and offering them to bake cookies with you while showing them how you like your cookies since you already know what kind of cookies you like. . .does that make sense?
I'm afraid not. I feel that it's pretty self evident that reproductive organs are for, well, reproduction. Self-pleasuring isn't a reproductive act, and thus is a misuse of the organs. Pretty straightforward.
Thinking pleasure is the point instead of a side effect is a mistake.
Religion is an essential component of a functioning society.
is religion really essential or is it just a consistently held set of beliefs amongst a population?
Arguing for the necessity of religious ideals in human society would require more energy and refresher research than I'm willing to muster right now.
religion is probably the easiet way to implement that
but at quite the cost
I don't know if I'd say that religion is essential but it's more like humans seem to have a religious need that, if not properly filled, gets filled by whatever is available.
atheism is just the modern religion
To think of it more in terms of food, if a person doesn't eat enough or properly the body will try and sacrifice the lesser needed parts (like fat) to get what it needs to sustain the important parts.
If the body can't get what it needs from storage then it begins to break down other parts, like muscle.
But it's more of filling a hole. So whatever is at hand seems to get plugged.
I's funny, but that's more or less what religious people have been claiming for a while
You choose to believe in something or you believe whatever's available
Probably that phrasing made people think it was just about people being too stupid to "choose for themselves", but it was trying to get at this sort of thing
It makes sense that religious people would claim that. To say something to the effect of, "Everyone needs to eat, we just choose to eat different things." wouldn't be controversial at all.
But in terms of religions the old way of thinking would be, "My diet is the right way and that's that!"
It's amusing because people do exactly that with diets!
So that they'd also do it with other stuff shouldn't really surprise anyone
Also, phrasing it as a diet is interesting, because not every conceivable diet is equally valid or good
Which I guess is kinda Peterson's idea
I think you're absolutely correct, Malt.
Abrahamic religions should be reformed with Gnosticism to help synthesize it with a post-Enlightenment view of religion. Jung characterized this synthesis very well. And the fundamental aspects of Gnosticism would allow for the cohabitation of all of the Abrahamic religions in a way similar to the Dharmic religions.
Atheism is just another view of religion, and a particularly nihilistic and materialistic view that leaves a moral void that is susceptible to be filled by another radical ideology, like Feminism or Communism.
I think I missed the reason why Abrahamic religions should be infused with Gnosticism.
Gnosticism holds a stance that is much more compatible with modern Western sensibilities.
Men and Women are equal.
So, it should be infused because...people in the west would like it more.
There was no original sin, and that the material world is inherently flawed and was not made by God.
God is a totality that is the source from which all comes from.
Abrahamic religions also carry a whole lot of '0ld sk00l' baggage.
Not really from a timeline perspective
Christianity is only 2000 years old.
And Islam only 1600
1400, I think.
You right
Seventh century
But Judaism is, what, 3000, 3500 years old depending on how you count it?
Yeah, but Judaism as we know it began alongside Christianity.
Rabbinic Judaism arose at the same time as Christianity, and both came from the same line.