no, i live minimalism cause ive grown up with a slightly hoarding father and hated it

But the things i have, i defend and not let anyone take away, cause they symbolize who i am and my hobbys. Ich lasse den Teufel nicht zwischen meine Wände :-p

@Denno I'll try to stay on.

@Flushtater with answering the question I had? Yes, thank you :)

Lol. @Mysteriedingens pretty sure women tend to not mean any harm when using your stuff. And if one doesn't like it, why not just tell them. Könnte so einfach sein

By the way - are there any women in this group? Can they even be mgtow?

@Artemis no there isn’t any

@Artemis You may did not understand i dont have a problem with others using my stuff. Furthermore im happy if someone is interested in the same things. It seems that to me you didnt yet experience a woman trying to shape your apartment into hers by replacing things. Isses aber nicht.

Or forbidding you certain things because it takes away attention from them

Good morning everyone

@A-B rebel Oh. And can they potentially be mgtow?

MGTOW is a male Movement - it is included in the name.

@Mysteriedingens lol. You got a point there, haven't experienced that.
But isn't that a general human thing? I would say men tend to do that aswell.
Keine Ahnung, wie der Text weitergeht 😂

Morning everyone!

Okay. I thought maybe it would be like feminism including males.

Morning

@Artemis for how long you are researching mgtow?

@Artemis If you look at the common marriage, many men are restricted to their "manspace" in the garage with all their tools and shit. And they only have that to repair stuff in the house. I dont know any profound male who likes this overly exaggerated decorative bullshit women tend to place around your place to appear friendly

About two days @Kazemaru

@Artemis to understand mgtow takes several weeks. Watch Sandman and HHH videos from the beggining. Also, read the comments. It will help

@Artemis Oh, you are a MGTOW-apprentice? To understand that shit takes a long time and dedication - and often a trigger.

@Mysteriedingens well, compromises should probably be done on both sides. And also there may be someone out there that is compatible with what you like on your house if it matters so much to you. The easy way out ( =giving up) ain't always the best one, just sayin'

@Artemis MGTOW is not giving up.

It is seeing yourself as the prize rather than the player in the game and acting like it aswell as working your value up.

I agree that monogamy coupled with irrational expectations is doomed from the start though that doesn't mean that it cannot work with certain twists here and there

Monogamy doesnt work without the fear of punishment. I advice you to try it, after that come back and approve all points mentioned.

a relationship cant be balanced, one is in the dominant position. And if you feel like you are equal, then she is in power.

@Kazemaru not sure yet if I will spend that much time on this topic. I was just curious since I agreed with a few points and wanted to hear what it's all about

@Artemis be patience. You will learn with time

@Flushtater yea it's obvious that security is an illusion. So are most of the concepts and perceived "realities", especially in the West. But that is not just something women fall for

@Artemis Women are a victim of this system aswell because of the artificial independency. I mean they are more unhappy than ever. They hate working, they hate pressure. Yet they are also indoctrinated by it. MGTOW is not defeaterism but getting the most out your time and resources. And you may yet didnt find a woman who got to be your cryptonite and if you are lucky you never will. But if you will, that bitch is gonna try to cut your balls off

Who says a relationship has to be equal anyway? What's wrong with one being more dominant? @Mysteriedingens

Nothing

But it is draining energy if it doesn come natural to the relationship dynamics (that change any time if another male appears in her life)

and if you are the passive part, you will get very hurt when she finds a better option, which they all wanna do

Women dont want to be submissive in a relationship dynamics, they dont cook anymore, they dont clean anymore, they want to decide things, they want entertainment, they want attention... It is either really taxing to be dominant or you are too passive

@Flushtater but what are women supposed to do about the biological need for protection? Yea, they have it. Doesn't mean she is automatically incapable of loving you and dedicating herself entirely and loyaly to you or whatever

If women truly were like that, societies wouldn't have needed to restrict women.

Her self interest and solipsism is what influences their indifference towards men and their spouses.

@Artemis she may love you for the honey moon phase, but other than that a woman doesnt love you. The last part is a dream of yours, cause you are hoping to find a NAWALT. It is a false dream.. Get it out of your system

Not really the want for protection.

She doesn't love in the honey moon phase Lol.

@Mysteriedingens some still do. Maybe not many where you currently are. But they do exist

Okay, what the fuck is this timeout bullshit?

@Artemis Tell me where the place is.

Are there Moslems here?

Some does not mean a large portion.

Some simply means that exceptions exist but not in large numbers.

@Artemis there's men from everywhere in here

@Mysteriedingens it is not a dream of mine. I am not gay.

His "some" are just the girls with proper nurturing from a father figure without getting spoonfed with narcissism and princess-indoctrination. But this girls still have always options other than you.

back in VC

@Kazemaru wondering because of how mgtow would affect islam

@Artemis what was your longest relationship

@Denno can't go to VC now, only in 5 hours

alright

Nice discussion btw

@Mysteriedingens again, that seems to be an awfully pessimistic way to look at it. Of course they have other options, but each and everyone could be that exact option for somebody

Zero months. Never had a serious relationship. @Mysteriedingens

Dude, that's some naive bluepilled thinking. A lot of men have walked that path and have gotten burned, for how things are now, you're taking a pretty big of a risk.

You stand to gain nothing from a relationship and quite a lot to lose.

What risk?

Losing the stuff you've earned, your kids etc.,

Child support

Alimony

@Artemis I dont want to discard your arguments. But i want to tell you that the things you see of a relationship from outside are not even near the stuff happening just between the two people. You still have the dream of finding a soulmate. I understand this hope and it is a dream every man has or had to some extent. You will end up getting hurt trying yourself in such a relationship. As soon you love someone, she has control over you.

Love is sacrificial I've heard, problem is the sacrifice is mostly for a knife in your back in the end and some corrupted memories.

Love for a man is to give love and get respected for it, love for a woman is to feel submissive but still be loved by the superior being. I have never seen a woman who dated downwards longterm. never.

Okay, I should probably have told you that I am not a man by now. Curiousity led me here and I will leave since I am not a man on my own way.
Thanks for answering the questions and telling about this topic.
I am still convinced that women and men could potentially function as a couple - without ill intention and regardless of what we desire naturally.

@EmptyEagle yes, it is not always sun and roses. Pain is part of it always. So what?

I wont stop you from trying yourself in that regards. Just dont lay out your resources to her. After you got burned into the ground, you will understand. I've gone the same way as you.

@Artemis The question is how many knifes does a person have to take to get a "good" relationship. Then even those could fail but this knife has financial consequences. So when is enought pain is enought?

Do y'all have mother issues or something of that nature? I am positive a woman can love a man just as much as he can love her.

you lack experience.

@Artemis everyone in here already knew that you were a woman by the third line

@Artemis Shame isn't a good idea here, but I have both parents. Doesn't change how many men are being hurt everyday.

If you believe, so go ahead, sign up for a relationship or a marriage.

@EmptyEagle the thing is that pain will always be there. No pain at all forever would equal death. You can't successfully go around avoiding it for a very long time. Pain is life. That shouldn't stop you from anything

It's your life at the end of the day anyways.

@Artemis this mother issue/ you are just a loser / blabla always comes up discussing with women.

They just cant wrap their head around not being desired.

Also my parents are still together and it doesn't take mommy issues to understand how women are.

Calm down. It wasn't meant in a degrading way at all. It was a serious question.

@Artemis If you have a hand on a stove will you just sit there and say "pain is apart of life" Or will move your hand to stop getting directly hurt? Your saying to keep a hand on a stove just because other things can hurt in life too.

are you planning to turn into a male by transition as you phrased your sentences weird

very bad idea

that's something so different lol @EmptyEagle where is the good sensation and sense and natural urge to put your hand on a stove?

I appreciate your effort of trying to understand MGTOW and it may help you in your time seeking relationships but you won't be capable of fully understanding it without being in the position of a male by law, biology, morals and life experiences.

@Mysteriedingens no I am not

The natural urge is to get into a relationship with a woman, in the current year, it isn't obvious but that's how it ends up being.

Agree

This is one of our storngest instincts if not the strongest

I just saw a movie and as a MGTOW I noticed a intreating tendnasi

tendency*

@Artemis Maybe the analogy needs work, but I'm going to fix my currents pains not add some. You sound like my mother. Wanting me to find a NAWALT, just for my ass going to be outed on child support or a divorce. I've crossed a line and I have to move on. I'm not sure if you could understand.

Do you take pain killers?

In general?

@EmptyEagle

Used to take Anti-Depressants, but I guess that's a bit difterent. @Artemis

Hm. Just wondering because of your pain avoiding philosophy. I wanted to make an example with that as pain medication tends to only cover up the pain while in reality, especially long term, makes much more damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.
I get your point and totally understand wanting to avoid it. Sometimes it destroys more not to be able to tolerate, not letting yourself feel it

Just sayin

@Artemis To me it seems that marriage is the pain medication by the definition of doing damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.

Marriage is like prison

Marriage is prison*

in 2018

@Artemis Pain is fine if you learn something after feeling the pain. I don't need to learn to tolerate relationship drama if it's just going to make me do the same mistake again. Society already gives me enough pain and depression, why would I take relationship pains as well?

@Mysteriedingens it sure can be. Especially with that mindset. But who says it _has_ to be that way, definitively?

Well, often times it has been that way.

Why else do you think the marriage rates are low as they are?

@EmptyEagle no one says you need to take that. And also no one says that every person on this planet, at this time, would make you feel like that to such extent, especially if you yourself are 100% honest to yourself

Not just in one country but pretty much the West as a whole.

Statisticly speaking it is this way most of the times, why should i think i am the expection @Artemis

Especially with the divorce laws, Alimony etc, being in favor of women

Why do y'all look at those rates so much? They are true for some people. They don't have to be true for you. That is, unless you want it to be.

Thats a false approach

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath the West, yea...

Tell me if it's only true for some people, why is that a society as a whole has went through that shift?

Statistics are based on real evidences,
you make assumptions based on your desires @Artemis

I can say that I am noticing the same thing happen here as well, a country where it's not as bad as it is in in the West, Yet.

The risks of marriages and LTR in the West are too great to not be ignored, @Artemis

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath 'cause they're blinded by rainbows and faces in windows, to quote TRS

Where do you live @ColdEmbraceOfDeath

India

it will come to you, traditionalism will die off sooner or later in your country as it develops

Dude, it's already dying.

I can see that my Sister and my Cousin pretty much have drunk the feminist Kool-Aid

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath Its just not as bad yet because whoring is socially thrown upon still

Go to any Westernized part of the country, you'll see that there isn't much that is different from the Westernized thot.

Traditionlism won't die just yet

Women will use it

Well, not entirely true, there are plenty of skanks here.

In order to attect males when they seethat their usual BS dosen't work on us

The stigma of pre-marital sex is going away, divorce is no longer stigmatized.

Yeaa that true

@Mysteriedingens so you think because I am not conforming I am doomed? That everyone is who doesn't? Why the hell would you be stopped by statistics?

And the norm?

But women will try to apper traditional to attrect man

OK, honest question, do you have desire to have children, @Artemis?

Yeah, but the trad thot thing is going away here, women think it's below their level to cook and clean for a guy etc.,

@Artemis Theoretically maybe, but looking for the 1% might not be worth it. There are situations that could change that, but the political climate and laws need to change.

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath i have no problem with cooking or cleaning as long as i am the shorter part incomewise

@Kazemaru yes.

Why?

Why didn't have it until now?

fuck thats a good question

Well, Mysteriedingens, we know who happens to be the shorter part incomewise.

It's not a big deal to cook and shit these days, it's not like people cook on wood fires or that one has to cook for several people.

Well, I am 19, still studying and have slightly traditional views regarding kids and marriage. Ideally I would be in my early twenties and have a stable job first. @Kazemaru

Aha!

Aha what? What do you think it tells?

Well, work on finding a man, than having a stable job. A woman doesn't need that for a marriage or a relationship.

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath ^

Do you want to be a housewife @Artemis

or do you want to send your child to an institute like kindergarden for nurturing

@Artemis are you a virgin?

@Mysteriedingens I would prefer to not send my kids to kindergarden but instead take care of them myself

Yes

Well, that at least puts you ahead of 90% of the female population

Well, if you're going to do that, you're probably going to have to quit your job, so why do you want a job in the first place?

@Artemis great! You're not completely damaged yet!

>yet

I would go as far as arguing that having children with your first partner, traditional values and proper nurturing will at least bring you far

Doesn't mean it's safe for the guy getting married to her though.

right

Remember ddj words @Mysteriedingens. Even if she marries young, 20 yrs in the future she will desire to "recover what she lost"

There is also no guarantee her first partner would not abuse her pair bonding in the relationship until shes damaged and then we know how it goes usually

Recover what she's lost?

I am willing to take that risk

A virgin thot only increases the strength of the bond, not that it guarantees a stable marriage.

Also, as you said earlier, safety is an illusion

And that is very true

its the system or culture you bring u a women that matters the most,

Yeah.

When it comes to this aswell. There is never a guarantee

social repurcusion and shaming works the best -from what I have witnessed at home

despite the society around us is degrading, as long as you have enough folks from your family who are willing to not put with their shit, the government or rule of law does not matter

thats how we deal it

*with it

Yeah, that is true, that's honestly why women are in line in India to a certain extent

Problem is when they start acting out against family.

Economic independence is bit of a problem as well.

Then you show them the pimp hand, socially castrate and disavow them.

Like they can move out and shit, though India doesn't like bachelors and don't offer a place to rent out if you are unmarried.

in india and around, we tend to limit their education and have them married off as early as possible

true

Not in the Urban areas.

My sister pretty much has a Masters.

Yeah! It is hard in the urban due to the cosmopolitan view.

I would just emphasize on what TFM said "Demographics is Destiny". Its always a numbers game.

Im at work again

@general voice chat

Have a good one))

Whoever has time give a call on the voice chat around 3:00 👍🏾

When is 3

xd

@the adventures male Vladdy daddy

@eclipseNF 👌 How are you my brother

Shit different time zones

@A-B rebel Your mic is something else

:p

What ?

Your mic is pretty awful never really heard anything like it 😉

Google elon musk and alex jones get high, new rogan podcast cut edit video it's greatr

that interview is a bit older

Brand new

Women make awful men impressions 🤦🏾‍♂️

What do women not make awful?

Nothing

@Artemis ya hear that

@saiyomi is a better actor than you hoe

Shadow Warrior 2 Free on GOG

Gotta go

Well when she moves - lets talk then @the adventures male

@Denno when are you getting your missile pods installed?

When Putin's defence reforms happen. In the 2025 defence plan 😂

Way to plan ahead

10:30 am

#metoo is actually illegal, but no one will prosecute slander/libel cases anymore

The whaley bitch trials @Denno

@Rexxer The Mighty women do not "have sex", sex "happems to them" like the weather

Any of them Indians know when UFC 229 Will be broadcast here?

on TV I mean.

Work again

Brb if you are on in an hour or so

Thats for every religion basically @MGTOW INDIAN

@MGTOW INDIAN Thots on converts though?

like the push for christian conversion in lower caste or poor people

On the topic of Afterlife: BarBarossa mentioned a movie "The Martyr(2008)" in his video called "On the What ifs".

His video talked in length about the movie, and the use of human beings as test subjects ; and their ethics.

@Λdonis So, there are no prostitutes - "According to the law"?

@MGTOW INDIAN "Duluth Model" mentioned by DDJ

22

I am at colz

Ouch.... What a headache....

Sorry @A-B rebel can't go to vc right now

@Λdonis doesnot Alla'h wills upto 4 wives under Islam, there?

The God Delusion

@Λdonis Then at the same time, you can have 4 wives, right?

Do you have to divorce the one to marry the other

@MGTOW INDIAN thats my user name?

I am in school, sorry

@Λdonis Thank you

Demographic is destiny, so...

my country does not allow polygamy and not my religion either, hence Alla'h is the only way

lol

@DanielVox NoFap doesnot work

Dont get addicted, but its better than getting wet dreams and dirty bedsheets

There jeans have padding for butt

2 hindus

Nofap just makes you thirsty really. But if you find done kind of personal benefit great.