Losing the stuff you've earned, your kids etc.,

Child support

Alimony

@Artemis I dont want to discard your arguments. But i want to tell you that the things you see of a relationship from outside are not even near the stuff happening just between the two people. You still have the dream of finding a soulmate. I understand this hope and it is a dream every man has or had to some extent. You will end up getting hurt trying yourself in such a relationship. As soon you love someone, she has control over you.

Love is sacrificial I've heard, problem is the sacrifice is mostly for a knife in your back in the end and some corrupted memories.

Love for a man is to give love and get respected for it, love for a woman is to feel submissive but still be loved by the superior being. I have never seen a woman who dated downwards longterm. never.

Okay, I should probably have told you that I am not a man by now. Curiousity led me here and I will leave since I am not a man on my own way.
Thanks for answering the questions and telling about this topic.
I am still convinced that women and men could potentially function as a couple - without ill intention and regardless of what we desire naturally.

@EmptyEagle yes, it is not always sun and roses. Pain is part of it always. So what?

I wont stop you from trying yourself in that regards. Just dont lay out your resources to her. After you got burned into the ground, you will understand. I've gone the same way as you.

@Artemis The question is how many knifes does a person have to take to get a "good" relationship. Then even those could fail but this knife has financial consequences. So when is enought pain is enought?

Do y'all have mother issues or something of that nature? I am positive a woman can love a man just as much as he can love her.

you lack experience.

@Artemis everyone in here already knew that you were a woman by the third line

@Artemis Shame isn't a good idea here, but I have both parents. Doesn't change how many men are being hurt everyday.

If you believe, so go ahead, sign up for a relationship or a marriage.

@EmptyEagle the thing is that pain will always be there. No pain at all forever would equal death. You can't successfully go around avoiding it for a very long time. Pain is life. That shouldn't stop you from anything

It's your life at the end of the day anyways.

@Artemis this mother issue/ you are just a loser / blabla always comes up discussing with women.

They just cant wrap their head around not being desired.

Also my parents are still together and it doesn't take mommy issues to understand how women are.

Calm down. It wasn't meant in a degrading way at all. It was a serious question.

@Artemis If you have a hand on a stove will you just sit there and say "pain is apart of life" Or will move your hand to stop getting directly hurt? Your saying to keep a hand on a stove just because other things can hurt in life too.

are you planning to turn into a male by transition as you phrased your sentences weird

very bad idea

that's something so different lol @EmptyEagle where is the good sensation and sense and natural urge to put your hand on a stove?

I appreciate your effort of trying to understand MGTOW and it may help you in your time seeking relationships but you won't be capable of fully understanding it without being in the position of a male by law, biology, morals and life experiences.

@Mysteriedingens no I am not

The natural urge is to get into a relationship with a woman, in the current year, it isn't obvious but that's how it ends up being.

Agree

This is one of our storngest instincts if not the strongest

I just saw a movie and as a MGTOW I noticed a intreating tendnasi

tendency*

@Artemis Maybe the analogy needs work, but I'm going to fix my currents pains not add some. You sound like my mother. Wanting me to find a NAWALT, just for my ass going to be outed on child support or a divorce. I've crossed a line and I have to move on. I'm not sure if you could understand.

Do you take pain killers?

In general?

@EmptyEagle

Used to take Anti-Depressants, but I guess that's a bit difterent. @Artemis

Hm. Just wondering because of your pain avoiding philosophy. I wanted to make an example with that as pain medication tends to only cover up the pain while in reality, especially long term, makes much more damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.
I get your point and totally understand wanting to avoid it. Sometimes it destroys more not to be able to tolerate, not letting yourself feel it

Just sayin

@Artemis To me it seems that marriage is the pain medication by the definition of doing damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.

Marriage is like prison

Marriage is prison*