@Artemis If you have a hand on a stove will you just sit there and say "pain is apart of life" Or will move your hand to stop getting directly hurt? Your saying to keep a hand on a stove just because other things can hurt in life too.

are you planning to turn into a male by transition as you phrased your sentences weird

very bad idea

that's something so different lol @EmptyEagle where is the good sensation and sense and natural urge to put your hand on a stove?

I appreciate your effort of trying to understand MGTOW and it may help you in your time seeking relationships but you won't be capable of fully understanding it without being in the position of a male by law, biology, morals and life experiences.

@Mysteriedingens no I am not

The natural urge is to get into a relationship with a woman, in the current year, it isn't obvious but that's how it ends up being.

Agree

This is one of our storngest instincts if not the strongest

I just saw a movie and as a MGTOW I noticed a intreating tendnasi

tendency*

@Artemis Maybe the analogy needs work, but I'm going to fix my currents pains not add some. You sound like my mother. Wanting me to find a NAWALT, just for my ass going to be outed on child support or a divorce. I've crossed a line and I have to move on. I'm not sure if you could understand.

Do you take pain killers?

In general?

@EmptyEagle

Used to take Anti-Depressants, but I guess that's a bit difterent. @Artemis

Hm. Just wondering because of your pain avoiding philosophy. I wanted to make an example with that as pain medication tends to only cover up the pain while in reality, especially long term, makes much more damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.
I get your point and totally understand wanting to avoid it. Sometimes it destroys more not to be able to tolerate, not letting yourself feel it

Just sayin

@Artemis To me it seems that marriage is the pain medication by the definition of doing damage internally, gradually, slowly, but surely.

Marriage is like prison

Marriage is prison*

in 2018

@Artemis Pain is fine if you learn something after feeling the pain. I don't need to learn to tolerate relationship drama if it's just going to make me do the same mistake again. Society already gives me enough pain and depression, why would I take relationship pains as well?

@Mysteriedingens it sure can be. Especially with that mindset. But who says it _has_ to be that way, definitively?

Well, often times it has been that way.

Why else do you think the marriage rates are low as they are?

@EmptyEagle no one says you need to take that. And also no one says that every person on this planet, at this time, would make you feel like that to such extent, especially if you yourself are 100% honest to yourself

Not just in one country but pretty much the West as a whole.

Statisticly speaking it is this way most of the times, why should i think i am the expection @Artemis

Especially with the divorce laws, Alimony etc, being in favor of women

Why do y'all look at those rates so much? They are true for some people. They don't have to be true for you. That is, unless you want it to be.

Thats a false approach

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath the West, yea...

Tell me if it's only true for some people, why is that a society as a whole has went through that shift?

Statistics are based on real evidences,
you make assumptions based on your desires @Artemis

I can say that I am noticing the same thing happen here as well, a country where it's not as bad as it is in in the West, Yet.

The risks of marriages and LTR in the West are too great to not be ignored, @Artemis

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath 'cause they're blinded by rainbows and faces in windows, to quote TRS

Where do you live @ColdEmbraceOfDeath

India

it will come to you, traditionalism will die off sooner or later in your country as it develops