I only just found out about this mgtow branch. Is it like the opposite of feminism to you? And how do y'all define it? What does it mean to you?

Doesn't focusing on not getting female validation kind of defeat the purpose of not wanting it in the first place? Focusing on yourself makes absolute sense but it seems illogical to simultaneously spend time bashing women in your heads since your attention drifts back to them by thinking you are doing this to not be a slave to what women think of you. You're thereby obviously putting the female sex back in your thoughts which interferes with wanting to be "the best man you can be for yourself" (according to your definition). To me, this sounds suspiciously similar to women claiming to "put on make-up for themselves".
Just a variant on the other side. Is it not merely the same thing but in green?

Also, another thing I am curious about; you said society wouldn't really need women (other than for reproduction). So what is the determining factor that men are a necissity? Greater physical strength?

I wasn't saying that it's all you do. How would I know? You seem to do it nevertheless. It just seemed a bit hypocritical to me since talking about it at all means that in some regard it must matter and is, at least for that period of time, your focus

But yea, Mysteriedingens (Deutsch?) clarifies it a little I guess

What is not worth what?

Okay. Gotcha.

That's a common thing anyway nowadays, isn't it? @ColdEmbraceOfDeath why is the term mgtow necessary?

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath @mysteriedingens I was mainly referring to people's general fear of commitment nowadays

Well, projecting fear into that kinda thing appears to be rising. In the West, anyway.

So mgtow also stands for anti marriage? Or is it a personal preference?

And differs?

So y'all fundamentally believe women cheat in marriages and relationships and that puts you off?

How were they gynocentric?

Sure... Worshipped for being able to produce life. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But other than that?

Now that inspires the question as to when you would consider an arrangement between a man and a woman as more beneficial for the man

Well, they are also raising your kids, aren't they? Also, have you any idea what women go through in the whole process from sex 'til giving birth?

Because the pain is worth it to them in the end, generally speaking.

Horrible parents how?

@Mysteriedingens well, yea. Women are often manipulative devils. Nothing new. That's the part of mgtow that led me here.

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath so you are suggesting men should raise the next generation (alone)?
Also, emotions certainly don't have to necessarily be in the way of a good parent. Au contraire; they can be used for a very essential ingredient in raising kids.

I know that under certain circumstances, painkillers are available for giving birth. First of all though, they don't do _that_ much and second, the worst part are the contractions before the actual processof giving birth. There are no pain medications for that

C Section has many shitty side effects

The key is not to be controlled by your emotions. Other than that I think they are definitely useful and make all this bull worth living really. So if you got that down and are capable of recognizing when you are letting yourself be controlled by an emotion, what is so wrong with it? @Flushtater

Y'all are making me question myself lol

Threatening?

@Flushtater I wonder how they can be sure about that statistic

Yeah. Obviously

What is cluster B?

Haha. I don't know if you will find that

So many people seem to forget how different men and women are... Hell yes, of course there will be issues and misunderstandings. I think most women perceive a significant amount of men to not be able or even try to put themselves into their shoes which may make some of them behave the way you think is crazy

I think this sh can be worked out

But the Western world is full of quitters

That's a quality of an immature girl, not a woman. Frequently experience that with insecure beta "men" aswell

Yea. More common.

Huh. Are they not taking you now?

Well, most men at least possess the ability to become an alpha. You just gotta find the right switch.

If that is something you desire to be, anyway.

Won't give them offspring? Why? @Flushtater

Yes they are. Survival technique. @the adventures male

Well, why? Infertility?

Do you mean top 20% financially?

I mean, that's not all something that determines an alpha, at least not according to my definition. It's hard to put into words (especially English ones lol). It's more a type of energy they exude in a way, don't you think? You can have that energy naturally or even aquire it without having any of these characteristics you mentioned.

Behaviour, well, yea. But it's also a mindset. Confidence that exudes

Afraid of being alone? Like afraid for their lives or what do you mean?

Simps? Huh?
Lol. You said that above

I answered late because I only just saw

"Are most men afraid of being alone? I'm not, but I believe amost women are."

That is what you said

How do you mean that, afraid of being alone?

Idk what miffed and waifu means. Is that porn?

Hm. And unnecessary

After reading your people's points, I still don't see a reason not to embrace it

Yes

Lol.

Yea. Why is mgtow necessary when it goes against many men's natural urges?

Yea I agree lol. Next step is a sex doll

Doesnt make sense if you want to be mgtow

And therefore and also in general, why be mgtow in the first place

What if you are gay? How does the mgtow "movement" view that? Do you think cohabitation would then be possible?

Yea and it seems senseless!

You don't have an opinion on that or don't want to share it?

What's Bidol?

I'm asking this since y'all seem to be saying that women are the problem in this whole partnership thing and so on so according to that, gays should work, no?

@Mysteriedingens right

Lol that lesbian statistic seems very possible

Sounds like a typical American definition... It's mgtow if you want it to be... Regardless of your actions?

Meh

But if you are actually completely open and honest to the woman, why shouldn't it work? @Mysteriedingens

@Denno are you a woman?

Male to female?

@Denno if you don't mind me asking, why are you keeping them?

@Mysteriedingens Seems like a very prosaic way to look at it. Du scheinst den Teufel an die Wand zu malen.

Big attachment to your material things? @Mysteriedingens

See you Nadia

@Flushtater with answering the question I had? Yes, thank you :)

Lol. @Mysteriedingens pretty sure women tend to not mean any harm when using your stuff. And if one doesn't like it, why not just tell them. Könnte so einfach sein

By the way - are there any women in this group? Can they even be mgtow?

@A-B rebel Oh. And can they potentially be mgtow?

@Mysteriedingens lol. You got a point there, haven't experienced that.
But isn't that a general human thing? I would say men tend to do that aswell.
Keine Ahnung, wie der Text weitergeht 😂

Okay. I thought maybe it would be like feminism including males.

Morning

About two days @Kazemaru

@Mysteriedingens well, compromises should probably be done on both sides. And also there may be someone out there that is compatible with what you like on your house if it matters so much to you. The easy way out ( =giving up) ain't always the best one, just sayin'

I agree that monogamy coupled with irrational expectations is doomed from the start though that doesn't mean that it cannot work with certain twists here and there

@Kazemaru not sure yet if I will spend that much time on this topic. I was just curious since I agreed with a few points and wanted to hear what it's all about

@Flushtater yea it's obvious that security is an illusion. So are most of the concepts and perceived "realities", especially in the West. But that is not just something women fall for

Who says a relationship has to be equal anyway? What's wrong with one being more dominant? @Mysteriedingens

@Flushtater but what are women supposed to do about the biological need for protection? Yea, they have it. Doesn't mean she is automatically incapable of loving you and dedicating herself entirely and loyaly to you or whatever

@Mysteriedingens some still do. Maybe not many where you currently are. But they do exist

Are there Moslems here?

@Mysteriedingens it is not a dream of mine. I am not gay.

@Kazemaru wondering because of how mgtow would affect islam

@Mysteriedingens again, that seems to be an awfully pessimistic way to look at it. Of course they have other options, but each and everyone could be that exact option for somebody

Zero months. Never had a serious relationship. @Mysteriedingens

What risk?

Okay, I should probably have told you that I am not a man by now. Curiousity led me here and I will leave since I am not a man on my own way.
Thanks for answering the questions and telling about this topic.
I am still convinced that women and men could potentially function as a couple - without ill intention and regardless of what we desire naturally.

@EmptyEagle yes, it is not always sun and roses. Pain is part of it always. So what?

Do y'all have mother issues or something of that nature? I am positive a woman can love a man just as much as he can love her.

@EmptyEagle the thing is that pain will always be there. No pain at all forever would equal death. You can't successfully go around avoiding it for a very long time. Pain is life. That shouldn't stop you from anything