@Artemis be patience. You will learn with time

@Flushtater yea it's obvious that security is an illusion. So are most of the concepts and perceived "realities", especially in the West. But that is not just something women fall for

@Artemis Women are a victim of this system aswell because of the artificial independency. I mean they are more unhappy than ever. They hate working, they hate pressure. Yet they are also indoctrinated by it. MGTOW is not defeaterism but getting the most out your time and resources. And you may yet didnt find a woman who got to be your cryptonite and if you are lucky you never will. But if you will, that bitch is gonna try to cut your balls off

Who says a relationship has to be equal anyway? What's wrong with one being more dominant? @Mysteriedingens

Nothing

But it is draining energy if it doesn come natural to the relationship dynamics (that change any time if another male appears in her life)

and if you are the passive part, you will get very hurt when she finds a better option, which they all wanna do

Women dont want to be submissive in a relationship dynamics, they dont cook anymore, they dont clean anymore, they want to decide things, they want entertainment, they want attention... It is either really taxing to be dominant or you are too passive

@Flushtater but what are women supposed to do about the biological need for protection? Yea, they have it. Doesn't mean she is automatically incapable of loving you and dedicating herself entirely and loyaly to you or whatever

If women truly were like that, societies wouldn't have needed to restrict women.

Her self interest and solipsism is what influences their indifference towards men and their spouses.

@Artemis she may love you for the honey moon phase, but other than that a woman doesnt love you. The last part is a dream of yours, cause you are hoping to find a NAWALT. It is a false dream.. Get it out of your system

Not really the want for protection.

She doesn't love in the honey moon phase Lol.

@Mysteriedingens some still do. Maybe not many where you currently are. But they do exist

Okay, what the fuck is this timeout bullshit?

@Artemis Tell me where the place is.

Are there Moslems here?

Some does not mean a large portion.

Some simply means that exceptions exist but not in large numbers.

@Artemis there's men from everywhere in here

@Mysteriedingens it is not a dream of mine. I am not gay.

His "some" are just the girls with proper nurturing from a father figure without getting spoonfed with narcissism and princess-indoctrination. But this girls still have always options other than you.

back in VC

@Kazemaru wondering because of how mgtow would affect islam

@Artemis what was your longest relationship

@Denno can't go to VC now, only in 5 hours

alright

Nice discussion btw

@Mysteriedingens again, that seems to be an awfully pessimistic way to look at it. Of course they have other options, but each and everyone could be that exact option for somebody

Zero months. Never had a serious relationship. @Mysteriedingens

Dude, that's some naive bluepilled thinking. A lot of men have walked that path and have gotten burned, for how things are now, you're taking a pretty big of a risk.

You stand to gain nothing from a relationship and quite a lot to lose.

What risk?

Losing the stuff you've earned, your kids etc.,

Child support

Alimony

@Artemis I dont want to discard your arguments. But i want to tell you that the things you see of a relationship from outside are not even near the stuff happening just between the two people. You still have the dream of finding a soulmate. I understand this hope and it is a dream every man has or had to some extent. You will end up getting hurt trying yourself in such a relationship. As soon you love someone, she has control over you.

Love is sacrificial I've heard, problem is the sacrifice is mostly for a knife in your back in the end and some corrupted memories.

Love for a man is to give love and get respected for it, love for a woman is to feel submissive but still be loved by the superior being. I have never seen a woman who dated downwards longterm. never.

Okay, I should probably have told you that I am not a man by now. Curiousity led me here and I will leave since I am not a man on my own way.
Thanks for answering the questions and telling about this topic.
I am still convinced that women and men could potentially function as a couple - without ill intention and regardless of what we desire naturally.