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@ManAnimal the state shouldn't exist

@Laucivol the state is not neccessary

indeed we must have decentralized communties that makes their own laws, if we can achive this the state becomes unneccessary

@SageTheory no it shouldn't exist at all

@SageTheory AnCaps don't claim there way of doing things is "Utopia" retard

@Muten not really, it's pretty practical if you really read up on it

@SageTheory jokes on you because I didn't say anything that was funny

@SageTheory they aren't

@ManAnimal are you sure about that? what is human nature anyways? are you sure we can generalize it when humans have such wide aray of varring opinions?

@SageTheory "limited and less interventionist" what your looking for doesn't exist for long, once a state is created it will always grow in power, nothing can stop this

@Muten why what?

@Muten just look at history, everytime a small state was formed, even ones with the best intentions and constitional constraints on power, it always grows there is no exception to this

@SageTheory an AnCap state is an oxymoron, and no people wouldn't just form a state in an AnCap society for no reason

@Muten why when the AnCap society could provide securty on the free market through private means

@Muten AnCaps don't believe in rulers

@SageTheory technicaly you could pay the cops to do the same, happens in 3rd world countires all the time

@Muten greedy yes, form a state in a place where most don't want it and things have been functioning freely on a free market for sometime unlikey

@Muten funny how that securty works better then their public police hmmm I wonder why

maybe it's because free market solutions are better

@ManAnimal a free one!

@Death in June wrong I'm talking about small communty laws enforced by private security

in AnCap there is no state

@Muten lol implying the current state is accountable hahahaha

@Muten dude who pays the securty companies? if they become corrupt no one would pay them and they would go out of business

@Muten lol no they aren't, you're living in fantasy land, current states are accountable to corporations and big money lenders, they don't give a rats ass about jo smoe the little guy

@SageTheory government is responsible for most monopolies, hell government it self is a monopoly

@ManAnimal who says there wouldn't be opposition, practicaly all AnCaps I know of are armed, presumably most people would be in an AnCap society, we're talking about changeing the out look of people and raising people to be more responsible rather than the type of turds mondern public education is poping out

@SageTheory it's amonopoly of force yes it very much is

@Laucivol Representative Republic have failed misrably

@Laucivol that's what I've been explaining but aperently you're not paying attention

@SageTheory the solution is simple, monopolies form far easier with government assitance, take away government and there will be far less monopolies

@ManAnimal yea myspace came before facebook, facebook grew far larger when it got in bed with the government

@ManAnimal well technicaly even with the government aid it's gotten it's still not quite a monopoly but it's damn close

it's hard to monopolize on the internet

@SageTheory government doesn't break up monoplies either, atleast not the ones that are bed with government which is practicaly all of your fortune 500 and up companies today

@ManAnimal if companies are recieing government subsidies it's no longer a free market

@SageTheory AnCaps handle it by not handling it, monoplies simply form less with out government, AnCaps don't promise there wont be any but there will certainly be far less

@ManAnimal the biggest corruption is seen between corporate back room deals with government

eliminate government you take away alot of the corruption

@Death in June the people would have to be more responsoiible as they were more like in the 1800s in america, there would have to be decentralised means of record keeping and contracts and perhaps most importantly of all many services provided by government today would have to have private companies pick up the slack, example, private company for road mantence, private securty companies, private fire departments

@Laucivol that's cool, atleast you're open minded to it

@SageTheory they will have a much harder time when there is so much competition, the free market is not kind to monopolies

@SageTheory a bigger richer company could do that but then more competition would arise

@SageTheory and despite the anti monopoly laws monopolies still formed and continue to form today

@Laucivol exactly, it's not real capitalism once fiat is introduced

@Laucivol nice in theory but in practice federal governments always overstep their bounds and grow wildly out of control, no constitution prevents this

@SageTheory you have to disolve all government

@ManAnimal and you think you can expect the populace to remain constantly vigilant? history has shown us that they wont be

@Laucivol the corporations overreach anyways

@lunemarie cool, very capitalistic minded as most automakers are

@Muten I don't think you can ever justify theft

@lunemarie yea he's highly technical and very inteligent, I've seen his videos

@lunemarie so awesome you met him

@Muten of course, even if it's justfied stealing is stealing

@Muten yea I mean with out being able to think of the best analogy here because it's fucking late, if you steal food from a store because you lost your job and your kid is starving, it's still theft, maybe it was for a noble cause but theft is still theft the nobilty of it doesn't change the action it self

@Muten yes justice is a whole other topic

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@Mairon would you be interested in being a part of our blog we'll be starting soon?

well you're a libertarian or AnCap right?

ok never mind then

we're looking for libertarian blogers

a blog is writing weekly or sometimes even daily posts for social media

ah ok

interesting

would you describe your self more on the left or right?

haha never mind you already answered

well econmicaly at the very least you're more libertarian then

so where are you socialy?

in a conservative way?

monarchy? dictatorship?

you seem closet to a neo reactionary

not exactly but very closet it's the best I can peg you too

neo reactinaries are like that

very low time preferance, look to the future, future planning ect

oh wow ok that's different

neo reactionaries tend to favor feudalism in the european sense

yea you're different

I think you really are your own thing

really interesting

nope, seen the movie a long time ago though

in your view what causes societal decay?

maybe no one starved but people didn't really have that great of lives, slavory was rampant in Egypt

also if you think we're in a decay period right now how do you explain technology constantly improving with ever more inovation?

very intersting you see it that way, other political ideologies such as neo reactionaries and the alt right would say we're very near collaspse right now, basicaly teatering on the edge

I apreaciate your perspective because even as a libertarian we have our own views which mirror thos of the altright specificaly on economics, that the economy can't sustaine it self at this current level do to banking manipulation and while this is not the same as societal decay it leads to basicaly the same disaserous outcomes more less, it's nice to know there are other well read people out there that think maybe we have several more decades to go before things get really bad

centuries, nice

it wont happen while I'm alive then and probably not in my childrens life either

yay

yea man like you think super long term

that's cool

libertarians tend to think a couple decades in advance which is better than most for sure but like you take it to another level

I think what has to be looked at is if maintaining sufficent power for protection is possible in an age of decadance during our modern age with modern technology